Arcann vs. Darth Maul

Originally posted by FreshestSlice

No, because Legends only content, like the Jedi Path, involve TCW characters. TCW is in the same place as the movies.

Yes because you could just dismiss those characters, they have no real importance in the Jedi Path. It’s just bits of commentary which can just be dismissed.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
More impressed by the arguments for Maul.

So the consensus atm is that Maul wins?

Originally posted by Geistalt
It was a Kaas City block. They're made of metal, and under constant rain. But lowball as much as you like. Whatever helps you feel good at night.

Yes, Maul does indeed win here. ILS stomped all opposition.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Thana Vesh causing such devastation so as to burn down a city block as a child before two decades of 'prodigal' growth:

Yet she's not even more powerful than her own master who is sub-Dark Council. She also got wrecked by Act II Wrath:

Darth Qalar and Darth Victun reducing this citadel to rubble as an effect of their duel:

Yet couldn't kill each other, so were executed thereafter by stronger members. They weren't even the most prominent members of the Dark Council in their time. Yet it's implied that the Dark Council as of SWTOR is the most competitive it's been. So pretty much every DC member in SWTOR of note we know of is capable of similar feats.

Wrath went through Masters Yonlach & Yul-Li, Yonlach single-handedly was considered so strong the Dark Council couldn't manage to get him killed. Who per Malavai Quinn, were more dangerous than an entire army of a 1,000 elite Republic forces, in which featured Jedi Knights as platoon leaders. All led by powerhouse great war veteran Generals with anti-Force user battle armor and weaponry. An army strong enough to kick the Sith Empire, including Darth Lachriss, off of Balmorra completely.

Then he thoroughly defeated Master Nomen Karr, who was considered the most dangerous opponent the Wrath had faced. Scaling him off of everything prior. He also defeated Darth Baras, and was a Jedi master who infiltrated the Sith empire and managed to escape the depths of Sith space single-handedly when Baras uncovered him.

He went through Master Wyellett faster than a cave collapsed, who is once again beyond any opponent the Wrath had faced prior. Not just considered so powerful that he's a living superweapon; nevermind the fact he defeated Darth Baras and took his lightsaber, but that's all before achieving decades of enlightenment where his power multiplied.

The next victim on this list is Darth Ekkage, Baras' sister, noted by the Wrath himself to be the most difficult opponent he's ever fought. She was so incredibly powerful and skilled that she could've won the war for the Empire and is considered quite possibly the greatest Sith assassin in history up until her time. This'd include Darth Sion, Darth Thanaton and more.

Then of course we have Darth Baras himself. Baras is incredible, he was a mere apprentice to Darth Decimus, being beaten by Nomen Karr and Wyellett and frankly nothing more than a possible equal to Great War Satele Shan. Until of course he bound the spirit of Darth Traya using a ritual. What this allowed him was not just the ability to use her powers to see the future with incredible accuracy, but to drain her powers over-all. Better yet, he made a deal with Sel-Makor to gain even more power. Strong enough in fact to bring Draagh back from the brink of death, heal him, and him even stronger than before, so much so that he could trap Darth Vowrawn with a death field that was destroying him by the second. He'd gained so much power that he was considered nigh indestructible and convinced some members of the Dark Council that he was the Voice of the Emperor. Obviously meaning he had the power to destroy the Dark Council single-handedly. Yet the Wrath engages Darth Baras and 'ruins' him in combat.

Then the Wrath grows more powerful through the war over Ilum, the battles against Soa and the World Razer, the battle of Makeb, the entire Dread war, and the Revanite war. Each of those battles/events are at least one year apart. All prior to facing the cataclysm of Ziost. Then he finally fights Arcann and:

Then Arcann gets vastly more powerful in KOTET, where he's gained the potential to overthrow Vaylin per Valkorion.

Not one ounce of Oneness scaling anywhere, Maul dies.

Yeh, he hasn't stomped anything.

Repeating yourself doesn't make your arguments any more convincing.

@AP due to your clear dishonesty and lack of good will to debate using a mutual standard, this will be the last reply you get from me.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Thana Vesh causing such devastation so as to burn down a city block as a child before two decades of 'prodigal' growth:

Darth Qalar and Darth Victun reducing this citadel to rubble as an effect of their duel:

Yet couldn't kill each other, so were executed thereafter by stronger members. They weren't even the most prominent members of the Dark Council in their time. Yet it's implied that the Dark Council as of SWTOR is the most competitive it's been. So pretty much every DC member in SWTOR of note we know of is capable of similar feats.

Wrath went through Masters Yonlach & Yul-Li, Yonlach single-handedly was considered so strong the Dark Council couldn't manage to get him killed. Who per Malavai Quinn, were more dangerous than an entire army of a 1,000 elite Republic forces, in which featured Jedi Knights as platoon leaders. All led by powerhouse great war veteran Generals with anti-Force user battle armor and weaponry. An army strong enough to kick the Sith Empire, including Darth Lachriss, off of Balmorra completely.

Then he thoroughly defeated Master Nomen Karr, who was considered the most dangerous opponent the Wrath had faced. Scaling him off of everything prior. He also defeated Darth Baras, and was a Jedi master who infiltrated the Sith empire and managed to escape the depths of Sith space single-handedly when Baras uncovered him.

He went through Master Wyellett faster than a cave collapsed, who is once again beyond any opponent the Wrath had faced prior. Not just considered so powerful that he's a living superweapon; nevermind the fact he defeated Darth Baras and took his lightsaber, but that's all before achieving decades of enlightenment where his power multiplied.

The next victim on this list is Darth Ekkage, Baras' sister, noted by the Wrath himself to be the most difficult opponent he's ever fought. She was so incredibly powerful and skilled that she could've won the war for the Empire and is considered quite possibly the greatest Sith assassin in history up until her time. This'd include Darth Sion, Darth Thanaton and more.

Then of course we have Darth Baras himself. Baras is incredible, he was a mere apprentice to Darth Decimus, being beaten by Nomen Karr and Wyellett and frankly nothing more than a possible equal to Great War Satele Shan. Until of course he bound the spirit of Darth Traya using a ritual. What this allowed him was not just the ability to use her powers to see the future with incredible accuracy, but to drain her powers over-all. Better yet, he made a deal with Sel-Makor to gain even more power. Strong enough in fact to bring Draagh back from the brink of death, heal him, and him even stronger than before, so much so that he could trap Darth Vowrawn with a death field that was destroying him by the second. He'd gained so much power that he was considered nigh indestructible and convinced some members of the Dark Council that he was the Voice of the Emperor. Obviously meaning he had the power to destroy the Dark Council single-handedly. Yet the Wrath engages Darth Baras and 'ruins' him in combat.

If you can prove anything you just said, I'll cut my leg off and mail it to you as a trophy.

Then the Wrath grows more powerful through the war over Ilum, the battles against Soa and the World Razer, the battle of Makeb, the entire Dread war, and the Revanite war. Each of those battles/events are at least one year apart. All prior to facing the cataclysm of Ziost.

Then he finally fights Arcann and:

Then Arcann gets vastly more powerful in KOTET, where he's gained the potential to overthrow Vaylin per Valkorion.

Not one ounce of Oneness scaling anywhere, Maul dies.

I'll also add that Maul's accolades of being trained "in Sidious' likeness," "mercilessly in all Sith arts," and being "one of the most highly trained, skilled, dangerous, lethal, etc Sith in all of history" do not help your case either. Nor does his clear superiority over Arcann where their warrior talents are concerned, with Maul having many accolades from Sidious claiming his skill is without equal, from Plagueis stating his speed is astonishing and his skills are excellent, and from out of universe sources stating he is among the best of all time, "an incredible warrior," "all but invincible," "a perfect Sith weapon," "unstoppable," and so on.

nor is there any proof Rivi Anu was.

Arcunt dies

Maul choking out Obi-Wan rather casually.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
I've seen this going around. Based on what was Maul choking Kenobi casually? "I will crush the life out of you" doesn't sound casual to me.

Also, per Lawless, he had no intention of killing Kenobi at this point in time. I think slowly torturing someone when you could be tearing their trachea wide open constitutes a pretty casual display of power.

Originally posted by Sirion_Of_Doom
[B]Based on Maul having Force choked Kenobi at least four times without noticeable strain

in addition to having sent him flying with enough force to collapse a cave ceiling?

He lunged and sliced the Zabrak's yellow-and-black arm off at the shoulder. Savage howled in agony, retreating toward Maul as his brother shoved Obi-Wan backward with a blast of Force power. Maul stared at Obi-Wan, eyes blazing, the hatred boiling inside him. But then he regained control of his emotions, and shut off the surge of animal rage. He had bigger plans now than merely revenge, and settling the score with Obi-Wan could wait.
Credit: Shadow Conspiracy

Maul choked Kenobi, to say he did so casually is just embellishment.

Originally posted by ILS

Also, per Lawless, he had no intention of killing Kenobi at this point in time. I think slowly torturing someone when you could be tearing their trachea wide open constitutes a pretty casual display of power.

But if that's what we're causing causal, then literally any time when a more powerful character chokes a less powerful character is causal.

Why are y'all so good at missing the point?

Boi, crushing a dead thing further is redudant, it's time to move on to better things...

like how Maul couldn't take out a dude he can casually one-shot with the force. 🙂

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
There's no difference between how Maul chokes Kenobi, and how literallyany other character in th emythos chokes someone.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Maul choked Kenobi, to say he did so casually is just embellishment.

Urgh, it just wont let me quote your post at all.

I'll type up a summarized response tomorrow. I had forgotten that you were the Maul guy though, lol.

Be sure to include lots of links and quotes.

Originally posted by Sirion_Of_Doom
[B]Maybe characters don't engage in Force choking when they know it's going to require more than moderate effort on their part... why waste the time and energy,
right? mmm

Nah, it looks pretty easy for Maul whenever he does it.