Kyp Durron vs. Valkorion

Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
Also, CT's calcs are wrong. He/she assumes that Kyp moved it by just one meter? Wtf?

The full length of an interdictor is 600 m, and the portion of it that looks like the shark's mouth should be roughly 400 m. And Kyp accelerated it throughout that length, obviously, given the passage.

So the acceleration took place over 400 m of length which means that the energy released would be 400*14 petatons=5600 petatons.

Roughly 7 times more powerful than Nihilus's feat.

I am pretty proficient in physics myself, thank you.

Sorry, 7 times more powerful than Nihilus's "non-existent" feat.

And yeah, sorry again, but the acceleration is a lot more than 9.8 m/s2. Another assumption which is tremendously off the mark.

The whole process took just a "moment". Add a second or two here and there for the side stuff.

In fact, let me be generous and make it 5 seconds.

s=1/2at^2( this equation applies when objects begin with initial velocity=0, i.e. they accelerate from rest which is the case here)

a=2*s/t^2.

s=400 m, t=5 seconds.

a=800/25=32m/s^2. Ideally it should be more than this, but I am being as generous as possible.

So yeah, the energy output would be 5600*32/9.8=18000 petatons( roughly).

So yeah, infinitely more than Nihilus's "non-existent" feat.

Also, if you are not into the physics, it should be incredibly obvious that moving planets will require more energy than vaporizing oceans.

Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
Also, CT's calcs are wrong. He/she assumes that Kyp moved it by just one meter? Wtf?

The full length of an interdictor is 600 m, and the portion of it that looks like the shark's mouth should be roughly 400 m. And Kyp accelerated it throughout that length, obviously, given the passage.

So the acceleration took place over 400 m of length which means that the energy required would be 400*14 petatons=5600 petatons.

Roughly 7 times more powerful than Nihilus's feat.

I am pretty proficient in physics myself, thank you.

He his essentially lowballing the feat, because there isn't enough context to suggest how far he moved the void, or at what speed. there is not exact data of the feat, only that he moved it. So technically you are high balling it.

Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
Also, if you are not into the physics, it should be incredibly obvious that moving planets will require more energy than vaporizing oceans.

Also one could argue, that it just stimulates the affect of mass not actually is the mass, via the use of technology.

Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
No need to link the same pictures to me. I already know.

Yeah, and that doesn't change the fact that the two instances are "much farther away". The pictures after Katarr's destruction are much farther away than the ones before it. So no, there is no concrete basis for any of that.

As I said, even if they were close to the surface, there is nothing that indicates that the oceans were vaporized, lol.

That is a pretty blatant false equivalency, lol. Give me concrete evidence suggesting that Nihilus and Vitiate's feats are similar. You can't expect me to buy this just like that.

Uh, literally every planet shown at that distance, would still show signs of oceans/continents. And considering the amount of detail, he put into the first pictures, indicate he would of showed detail of the planet, if it still remained. the cloudlike drain that nihilus used when devouring the life, all indicates it's affects on not just life, but the planet below.

What inidcates the vaporisation of the oceans, his how the atmosphere, is completely screwed/dust like.

No, those feats from Vitiate were the after affect of draining all life. which is logical, and should be comparable with Nihilus, as when he drained all life the microbes/plankton etc, within the planet dies as well, in which the energy caused by the drain vaporizes the seas.

Now that all other options have failed, the Vitidiots turn to calcs lol. I wonder what's next.

All cases That I know of that have killed all life on the planet in SW lore, have ended up with the Planet turned Barren.

Originally posted by Azronger
Now that all other options have failed, the Vitidiots turn to calcs lol. I wonder what's next.

And, i've always been calc orientated, we just never go into it much.

Idk why i'm being labelled a vitidiot, when Most of my preferred characters are PT/RotE.

If Revan was apart of the later content, i'd probably be a Sheevite tbh.

Originally posted by Haschwalth
Uh, literally every planet shown at that distance, would still show signs of oceans/continents. And considering the amount of detail, he put into the first pictures, indicate he would of showed detail of the planet, if it still remained. the cloudlike drain that nihilus used when devouring the life, all indicates it's affects on not just life, but the planet below.

What inidcates the vaporisation of the oceans, his how the atmosphere, is completely screwed/dust like.

No, those feats from Vitiate were the after affect of draining all life. which is logical, and should be comparable with Nihilus, as when he drained all life the microbes/plankton etc, within the planet dies as well, in which the energy caused by the drain vaporizes the seas.

Given that it is not colorized, no. Nihilus observes Katarr as a "ball", which is a vast distance.

Initially, the distance is akin to something like this:

https://www.universetoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/SED_wall_1920x1200.jpg

But when Nihilus observes it from the bridge, it looks like a literal ball, which is much much farther away. Something like this distance:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSC-r_24vJ0eWM9kfQA2fMRtiY4kyDS_wo_LLkPioDQTyfCiJdK

When not colorized, yeah, you can't make anything out. At all.

No, lol.

Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
Given that it is not colorized, no. Nihilus observes Katarr as a "ball", which is a vast distance.

Initially, the distance is akin to something like this:

https://www.universetoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/SED_wall_1920x1200.jpg

But when Nihilus observes it from the bridge, it looks like a literal ball, which is much much farther away. Something like this distance:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSC-r_24vJ0eWM9kfQA2fMRtiY4kyDS_wo_LLkPioDQTyfCiJdK

When not colorized, yeah, you can't make anything out. At all.

No, lol.

You can make out the edges on both those pictures, the sky was clear before Nihilus went on his drain rampage, but is evidently not clear afterwards. Also you have to take into account the lighting.

Originally posted by Haschwalth
I know, it generally is, but that is dependent on the speed/distance.

Also one could argue, that it just stimulates the affect of mass not actually is the mass, via the use of technology.

Endless Mike?

Yeah, no, that's bullcrap. It stimulates the effect of mass "by" forming a "singularity" or "void" which, "due" to its incredibly high mass, is so useful to the Vong or whoever uses them. Which Kyp manipulates as though it is a supermassive object.

This is just reaching for the stars at this point.

Originally posted by Haschwalth
He his essentially lowballing the feat, because there isn't enough context to suggest how far he moved the void, or at what speed. there is not exact data of the feat, only that he moved it. So technically you are high balling it.

Bro, I gave the near exact data and the exact calcs for this, as accurately as anyone could ask for. It is obvious if you pay just a little bit of attention and have a rudimentary knowledge of physics.

I take this as a concession?

Originally posted by Haschwalth
You can make out the edges on both those pictures, the sky was clear before Nihilus went on his drain rampage, but is evidently not clear afterwards. Also you have to take into account the lighting.

Yeah, the edges of "continents" only. Infinitely far off from observing mountains or anything like that.

And this still doesn't prove that he vaporized the oceans. This proves detrimental to your case however, because a simple observation does disprove it. Valkorion drained Ziost, vaporizing the oceans and obliterating all life. However, the atmosphere is perfectly clean and pristine. Aside from being incredibly dull that is.

However, since the sky is so dusty( as you claim) in the case for Nihilus, it is obvious that the two cases of drain are nowhere remotely similar at all.

So this leaves you with two choices:

1. Continue to maintain that Nihilus's brand of drain is similar to Valkorion's, and essentially disprove your own argument.

2. Have nothing at all, because nothing proves that the oceans were vaporized at all from the pictures.

Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
Endless Mike?

Yeah, no, that's bullcrap. It stimulates the effect of mass "by" forming a "singularity" or "void" which, "due" to its incredibly high mass, is so useful to the Vong or whoever uses them. Which Kyp manipulates as though it is a supermassive object.

This is just reaching for the stars at this point.

Good to know, you know exactly how it works.

It's called a gravity well generator, it creates an artifical, gravity field, they manipulate it to suit their needs, hence it doesn't mean it has to have the mass actual mass of one. otherwise if it did act like one, the void would simply suck the ship in.

Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
Bro, I gave the near exact data and the exact calcs for this, as accurately as anyone could ask for. It is obvious if you pay just a little bit of attention and have a rudimentary knowledge of physics.

I take this as a concession?

Originally posted by Haschwalth
Good to know, you know exactly how it works.

It's called a gravity well generator, it creates an artifical, gravity field, they manipulate it to suit their needs, hence it doesn't mean it has to have the mass actual mass of one. otherwise if it did act like one, the void would simply suck the ship in.

SMH.

No, it creates a "singularity" or "void" which is a supermassive void, "which" due to its incredibly high mass is responsible for sucking in the objects.

The ends of the shark's mouth( as it appears) control the void and prevent it from sucking in the ship. The minute they lose control of the void, which is when Kyp moves the void from that place to inside the ship, the void sucks in the ship entirely, instantly.

Congratulations for disproving your argument again.

Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
Yeah, the edges of "continents" only. Infinitely far off from observing mountains or anything like that.

And this still doesn't prove that he vaporized the oceans. This proves detrimental to your case however, because a simple observation does disprove it. Valkorion drained Ziost, vaporizing the oceans and obliterating all life. However, the atmosphere is perfectly clean and pristine. Aside from being incredibly dull that is.

However, since the sky is so dusty( as you claim) in the case for Nihilus, it is obvious that the two cases of drain are nowhere remotely similar at all.

So this leaves you with two choices:

1. Continue to maintain that Nihilus's brand of drain is similar to Valkorion's, and essentially disprove your own argument.

2. Have nothing at all, because nothing proves that the oceans were vaporized at all from the pictures.

That was a drain, different to Nihilus's hence the darkfog during the drain. than Vitiates death field, it is still going to give off a similar affect, from devouring all life. Also those pictures, you used had the sun behind the planet or just above, but in the comic, it wasn't meaning, you can't use the darkness from those pictures as an excuses, to hide the outlines.

https://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/images/content/638831main_globe_east_2048.jpg

You can see earth easily, when the sun is not above behind the planet, at that distance.