Even fodder Clippers have been trained since childhood in multiple forms of melee combat. Also, Sunny has beaten people like Silver Moon, the Widow and Quinn. Granted, he did gain the advantage against Quinn because of a distraction, but he had already been fighting quite a bit before they faced off, whereas Quinn hadn't.
But considering the OP's responses to some people (like implying Sunny wouldn't even be able to hit Ozy), the agenda here is clear.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Even fodder Clippers have been trained since childhood in multiple forms of melee combat. Also, Sunny has beaten people like Silver Moon, the Widow and Quinn. Granted, he did gain the advantage against Quinn because of a distraction, but he had already been fighting quite a bit before they faced off, whereas Quinn hadn't.
It's funny how he came in here complaining that people were underestimating Ozy and then proceeds to do exactly that to Sunny.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Several of those "mooks" displayed far more fighting ability than anyone in the Watchmen movie.If you think Ozy has better fighting feats, post them.
How do you quantify fighting ability? Both can block and parry attacks. Both can deliver fast attacks very efficiently and smoothly.
I quantify it by pawns (thugs, etc).
Nite Owl can defeat a bunch of thugs without getting touched.
Ozy can defeat Nite Owl and Rorschach simultaneously without getting touched.
Assume that BW can defeat a bunch of thugs in h2h. Then can she without getting touched? Can Sunny beat her without getting touched?
This is just an example of how we should argue skill.
Originally posted by h1a8
How do you quantify fighting ability? Both can block and parry attacks. Both can deliver fast attacks very efficiently and smoothly.I quantify it by pawns (thugs, etc).
Nite Owl can defeat a bunch of thugs without getting touched.
Ozy can defeat Nite Owl and Rorschach simultaneously without getting touched.Assume that BW can defeat a bunch of thugs in h2h. Then can she without getting touched? Can Sunny beat her without getting touched?
This is just an example of how we should argue skill.
If you don't understand how to judge relative skill, you shouldn't be debating.
The Widow wiped out entire groups of Mercenaries and Clippers without getting touched. She couldn't land a single clean hit on Sunny when they fought, and he didn't even bother to draw his second sword. Hell, out of hundreds of opponents, only a tiny handful have managed to tag Sunny even once or twice. Which is a testament to those individuals, both because of Sunny's onscreen feats and implied skill. Hell, even Silver Moon, a literal living legend with 999 kills, could only manage to push Sunny back once or twice when they fought. So, so much for the untouchable angle.
Also, lol at H1 trying to assert how "we" (as a group) should judge skill. As though he is qualified to tell others here how to analyse evidence and debate.
@TheVaultDweller
Out of curiousity, how would you rank Sunny against Yang from The Warrior's way? Yang is officially titled the world's greatest swordsman and seemed to effortlessly slice his way through any and all opponents, though he did briefly struggle in the shed while he was protecting Lynne and the baby.
Ozy isn’t hurting a man who survives being crushed by massive slabs of rock, point blank bomb explosions, being impaled, or being blasted through brick walls
Also lmao @ comparing two nooks like Rorschach and Nite owl to skilled martial artists like Widow or Baron who themselves dispatch multiple skilled armed opponents themselves yet lost to Sunny. Please show me any evidence that Sunny would struggle with cops of have feats beyond beating thugs
Originally posted by Dreampanther
@TheVaultDwellerOut of curiousity, how would you rank Sunny against Yang from The Warrior's way? Yang is officially titled the world's greatest swordsman and seemed to effortlessly slice his way through any and all opponents, though he did briefly struggle in the shed while he was protecting Lynne and the baby.
Yang looks more impressive, visually. Honestly, some of his fights remind me more of Legend of the Sword King Arthur than Sunny. Not quite to the same level, but not that far off either.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Yang looks more impressive, visually. Honestly, some of his fights remind me more of Legend of the Sword King Arthur than Sunny. Not quite to the same level, but not that far off either.
I watched it again tonight, for the first time in years, and what caught my attention was how effortlessly Yang sliced through his enemies, cowboys and ninjas alike. Didn't really seem to bother him much when people were shooting at him, either.
I think you're right - he's got some mystic ninja voodoo lifting him close to superhuman, definitely I'd say he's AT LEAST peak human.
Thanks!
Originally posted by Dreampanther
I watched it again tonight, for the first time in years, and what caught my attention was how effortlessly Yang sliced through his enemies, cowboys and ninjas alike. Didn't really seem to bother him much when people were shooting at him, either.I think you're right - he's got some mystic ninja voodoo lifting him close to superhuman, definitely I'd say he's AT LEAST peak human.
Thanks!
You know, I kind of wondered why I was recalling such a strong recollection between Yang and Arthur, and now I remember why. Legend of the Sword basically ripped off one of the shots from The Warrior's Way in one of their fight scenes.
Seriously, check this out lol:
Around the 20 second mark here:
And then around the 32 second mark here:
And yeah, Badlands characters are insanely durable. Sunny was shot with flaming arrows, had Quinn collapse the tunnel on him, then fought like 20 of Quinn's Clippers, then got stabbed and ragdolled by Quinn during their fight (like a dropkick that sent him flying like 20 feet), and still walked out of that place without any problems.
And people like Quinn and Widow are tough as well. Widow shook off being dropkicked through a brick wall, and Quinn kept going after taking a slash to the side, and sword thrusts directly through the gut and upper torso.