Ozymandias (Movie Version) Vs Sunny (Into The Badlands)

The discussion has never been about what writer A thinks of a character created by writer B.

Originally posted by h1a8
You are using faulty analogies. We are not comparing clippers to thugs. We are comparing clippers to nite owl and Rorschach.

So you admit that the Clippers are more skilled than the thugs in Watchmen?

Originally posted by Silent Master
The discussion has never been about what writer A thinks of a character created by writer B.

Lol I totally called it. Knew he would choose to harp on about his interpretation of things instead of the very obvious actual point. It's blatantly obvious that we are not referring what writer A thought of character set B and vice-versa, or comparing fodder with main characters, but H1 will try and act like it is in order to avoid answering the real question. Like I said, he's just a troll.

And a liar too, seeing as my initial point was very clearly a comparison between the fodder Nite Owl fought and fodder Clippers, asking him what he was basing his claims on about Nite Owl being able to beat a group of them (not beating a group of them is not the same as not being better than individual Clippers, so his only attempted counter is somewhat of a strawman as well). So, I didn't even make any claims. Just asked him to back his. But does he do so? No. He first tries to avoid he burden of proof and flip it onto me, and now this crap.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So you admit that the Clippers are more skilled than the thugs in Watchmen?

Yes, and Nite Owl and Rorschach are more skilled than them (in h2h).

In h2h
Ozy >>>>>>>Nite Owl and Rorschach >>>>Fodder Clippers
Sunny >>>>Fodder Clippers

Therefore Ozy >>>>Sunny

Sunny is >>>>>Dark Ones/Barons while Dark Ones>>> Barons>>>>Regents and Regents >>>>Clippers.

So shut up, your logic is once again false, and just plain wrong. A single clipper would've cleared that entire hallway.

Originally posted by h1a8
Yes, and Nite Owl and Rorschach are more skilled than them (in h2h).

Prove it.

Originally posted by h1a8
In h2h
Ozy >>>>>>>Nite Owl and Rorschach >>>>Fodder Clippers
Sunny >>>>Fodder Clippers

Therefore Ozy >>>>Sunny

At worst it's Nite Owl and Rorschach = Fodder Clippers. Therefore Sunny beating large groups of them is more impressive than Ozy only beating 2 comparable people.

Rorschach got apprehended by mere cops for cripes sake. He's a nobody.

Sunny beats the living crap out of Ozy.

So, h1 isn't even going to attempt to address anything anymore? Just repeat his personal nonsense ABC logic, even though I have already shown that beating random Watchmen nobodies does not mean you can do the same to Badlands Clippers, considering, by feats and screen info, Badlands Clippers > Watchmen thugs.

Originally posted by tkitna
Rorschach got apprehended by mere cops for cripes sake. He's a nobody.

Sunny beats the living crap out of Ozy.

Doesn't matter to H1. As shown already, he has no interest in real debate here.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Doesn't matter to H1. As shown already, he has no interest in real debate here.

He never did

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
So, h1 isn't even going to attempt to address anything anymore? Just repeat his personal nonsense ABC logic, even though I have already shown that beating random Watchmen nobodies does not mean you can do the same to Badlands Clippers, considering, by feats and screen info, Badlands Clippers > Watchmen thugs.

Yeah, he's basically arguing that beating Watchmen thugs makes them far more skilled than the Clippers. Even though by his own admission Clippers are more skilled than Watchmen thugs.

It's like arguing that defeating random white belts makes someone more skilled than a 7th degree black belt.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
So, h1 isn't even going to attempt to address anything anymore? Just repeat his personal nonsense ABC logic, even though I have already shown that beating random Watchmen nobodies does not mean you can do the same to Badlands Clippers, considering, by feats and screen info, Badlands Clippers > Watchmen thugs.

You are twisting my argument into something different.

The comparison is nite owl and Rorschach against fodder clippers in h2h only. Not fodder clippers vs thugs. Ozy beat Nite Owl and Rorschach, Sunny beat fodder clippers.
My argument is that the former >>>>the latter in h2h.
Ozy beat the former with absolute ease.

Originally posted by tkitna
Rorschach got apprehended by mere cops for cripes sake. He's a nobody.

Sunny beats the living crap out of Ozy.

Cops>>>>Thugs
And he has showings of beating multiple thugs without getting touched.
What about nite owl?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Prove it.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Yeah, he's basically arguing that beating Watchmen thugs makes them far more skilled than the Clippers. Even though by his own admission Clippers are more skilled than Watchmen thugs.

It's like arguing that defeating random white belts makes someone more skilled than a 7th degree black belt.

We use feats when arguing characters from different universes. How else could you prove that Nite Owl >>>fodder clipper in h2h?

Originally posted by h1a8
We use feats when arguing characters from different universes. How else could you prove that Nite Owl >>>fodder clipper in h2h?

Only you have provided no feats proving that they're more skilled, just baseless claims.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Only you have provided no feats proving that they're more skilled, just baseless claims.

I did. You just conveniently ignored them.
Remember they beat multiple thugs without getting touched.
This is a greater feat then anything the fodder clippers have shown in h2h.

Originally posted by h1a8
I did. You just conveniently ignored them.
Remember they beat multiple thugs without getting touched.
This is a greater feat then anything the fodder clippers have shown in h2h.

Beating people that you admit are less skilled than the Clippers in no way proves that they're more skilled than sed Clippers.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Beating people that you admit are less skilled than the Clippers in no way proves that they're more skilled than sed Clippers.

Basically they have feats of beating multiple thugs. Fodder Clippers don't have any feats other than getting beat.

Basically feats vs no feats prove the two are better in h2h.

Originally posted by h1a8
Basically they have feats of beating multiple thugs. Fodder Clippers don't have any feats other than getting beat.

Basically feats vs no feats prove the two are better in h2h.

Beating groups of white belts in no way proves that you're more skilled than a back belt. You're just making things up.

But back to topic, Sunny >>>>Ozy >>>>> Nite owl and Rorschach in skill.