If Beerus is a 10...

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Suppressed Jiren >>>>>>> Angels confirmed.

Also whether Jiren could or couldn't have killed Beerus is irrelevant to your previous logic. You're just grabbing at anything you think will prove it at this point.
If you were in a hole and someone offered a hand down to you, you wouldn't grab their dick to pull yourself out would you?

What we have so far heavily implies Jiren is above, apart from what you used. Stop grabbing at dicks Carver

Originally posted by carver9
Just want to point out that Jiren last attackwas said to have enough power to kill everyone that was watching the fight.

Carver, the most important is that Jiren beats MUI Goku. That's justice.

Jiren 9
UI Goku 10

Well now we know without a doubt:

Spoiler:
MUI Goku > full power Jiren.

🙂

I’m glad Jiren’s overpoweredness didn’t overstay its welcome more than it already had, but I guess I can live with him outlasting Goku due to plot execution. Otherwise though, Goku won where versus thread warriors are concerned.

Well Goku needed to powerup again even in MUI cause he was losing to FP Jiren in the 1st half of the match.

I like how they didn't just let Goku straight up indisputably surpass the gods. He's definitely stronger, but using that power isn't simple. That was some 8 gates fatigue on crack.

From his fight with Jiren though, Goku is likely a 12 now. 13 maybe even.

Lol, what makes you say that?

Which part?

What about this fight makes you think Goku is three levels above Beerus? Keeping in mind that Beerus was only four levels above Goku during Battle of the Gods.

Id say Jiren is about 10.5 or 11 Goku is about 11.5 or 12.
Based on the latest fight.

For at least 8 universes out of 12:

Grand Priest > Angels > MUI Goku > 100% Jiren > strongest GoDs > Jiren (serious) > UI Omen Goku > "weakest" GoDs >= ASSB FP Vegeta > GoD Toppo > fresh SSB KKx20 Goku > the rest

MUI Goku is OP af.

Now that we've seen them fight, I'm still comfortable with this:

Originally posted by Galan007
The more I think about it, the more inclined I am to put MUI Goku at 11 or so now. That would still put him comfortably above Beerus, but still far below the likes of Whis. Granted, I agree MUI Goku > Beerus, but I am certainly not of the opinion that he can KO Beerus with one casual chop, like Whis can. So imo, the gap between Whis and Goku is still MUCH larger than the gap between Goku and Beerus.

On that note, I'd put Jiren at 10 or 10.5, as I believe he is no less than equal to Beerus(and arguably a bit stronger.)

Originally posted by NewGuy01
What about this fight makes you think Goku is three levels above Beerus? Keeping in mind that Beerus was only four levels above Goku during Battle of the Gods.

I don't even care enough to decipher this shit.

Originally posted by Sj_Sharp
For at least 8 universes out of 12:

Grand Priest > Angels > MUI Goku > 100% Jiren > strongest GoDs > Jiren (serious) > UI Omen Goku > "weakest" GoDs >= ASSB FP Vegeta > GoD Toppo > fresh SSB KKx20 Goku > the rest

MUI Goku is OP af.

This with only one caveat. I think MUI can reach angelic level as he already surpassed GoD level rather quickly. And as said by Whis he can dog deeper, and shown he can continue to power up.

As I've mentioned several times before: while I agree that MUI Goku > Beerus, he still isn't even remotely close to Angel-level... Unless you think he can KO Beerus with one casual chop. ermm

IOW, even Goku still has a LOOOOONG way to go to ever approach the likes of Whis.

MUI Goku is probably an 11. Jiren a 10.5 or perhaps 10.

Or we could be getting jerked around again and Goku could be a 10. 🙂

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
MUI Goku is probably an 11. Jiren a 10.5 or perhaps 10.

Or we could be getting jerked around again and Goku could be a 10. 🙂

👆 You have the right idea, although I'd argue that they're either both 10's or both 11's.

Why would you think Jiren and MUI Goku are at the same level? When Jiren clearly got stomped at the end of the fight when Goku got serious.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
👆 You have the right idea, although I'd argue that they're either both 10's or both 11's.

😂 😂