While being such a “gifted” apprentice according to Obi-Wan is cool and all, Kao Cen Darach was the single Jedi Master chosen to occupy the role of “battlemaster.”To fill you in, there are estimated to be millions of Jedi during SWTOR, but if we lowball that and say there are tens of thousands my point remains prudent. Of those only the best become Jedi knights, and then the most exceptional become masters. Of those masters, a few are chosen to be lightsaber instructors, who “bear the scars that attest to hundreds of combat kills” and “is not a specialization you take on without first proving your mettle in combat.”
One battlemaster is chosen from these instructors. So you don’t get confused by the image, every time a battlemaster is killed in SWTOR, he is replaced, so this does not change even during the peak of the war. There’s only one.
Battlemasters then vet potential instructors for their worth, which then has to be verified by the High Council. Suffice to say, instructors go through immense screening and are absurdly skilled, upper echelon duelists within the order and by necessity are of prodigious status with the experience to back it up. And of them, one battlemaster is chosen, who operates above them and judges their worthiness. I’m wondering how you think this compares to Ferus’ accolade.
*clap clap* Nice job backtracking from Aryn Leneer, given that Aryn's only scaling from Kao is their respective performances against Malgus...but then at that point given that Malgus is the person you're trying to quantify here you should've just started off with Kao.
Does being a battlemaster require you to be the second best Jedi of your generation? Obviously not since most of the most powerful Jedi of an era tend to not choose to become battlemasters (e.g. Yoda/Mace/Obi Wan vs. Cin Drallig). So becoming a battlemaster is incredibly impressive, but not on the level of being second out of all apprentices in the Jedi Order.
The problem here is that people may zero in on the word "apprentice" while ignoring the fact that Ferus isn't an apprentice when he faces Vader. The fact that he was a great apprentice relative to his peers is a good indication of his potential because it adjusts for experience, and comes from a highly credible source (Obi Wan).
Do you think Vader would enjoy being hit by such lightning?
So your response to my claim that your feat can't be quantified is to just rhetorically ask me to do it for you? Seriously?
Not according to your debate with Bart, where you were being handled quite well might I add. I digress.
Yes, you do digress - I accept your concession since you didn't actually respond to what you were quoting. I take it you drop that argument then. 👆
Such blunders wouldn’t occur if you weren’t scrambling through RTs for all of your arguments, opposed to picking up a book.
Says the person who went on a huge Bane wank trail, which largely focused on RoT feats, and then admitted he's never even read RoT? Lol ok.
That’s a nice opinion.Yes, yes he was.
I wonder why you think a faint grasp is enough for anyone to give a shit?
Do you actually have a meaningful rebuttal to make?
Yes, he is utterly clueless, and there are plenty of other reasons his opinion could be considered unreliable, such as the general awe he is in of facing Vader firsthand,
😕 If Vader weren't particularly powerful why would he be in awe of him? LMFAO
In either case it's absurd to dismiss two independent accolades from seasoned veterans (and a third if you count Nick on Vader >>> Vastor) just because they all fumble up because they're in "awe" of him. You're palpably grasping at straws.
the passage of time between now and then, and that he likely didn’t see any of these Jedi at their best.
One of the best Jedi in the Order never once saw any of the Jedi he regularly interacted with fight seriously, and was just utterly delusional about everyone's abilities?
Again, you're grasping at straws. Witness testimony is certainly meaningful evidence if it is from multiple credible sources, and here we have three combat veterans (Nick, Jax, Ferus), two of which were Jedi, one of which was the best Jedi in the whole Order, clearly contradicting your notions of Vader's lack of power.
Or does Vader have some sort of telepathic field that makes several independent sources vastly overestimate his power? Is it his scary mask?
Making his opinion worthless. We know Vader is powerful, some guy who has no authority over the capabilities of Windu and co. suggesting he’s more powerful is ludicrous, which then leaves Vader’s standing in ambiguity overall, until you produce better accolades.
No, you misread me. I said Vader doesn't have the same combat ability or Force mastery as either of those two.
Regardless, whether Jax is right about Vader > Yoda in raw power is beside the point. For Jax to at least think that, Vader can't be, say, dramatically weaker than the B-team or Cin Drallig, or else you'd have to conclude that Ferus, one of the best Jedi of the Order, was delusional and clueless about everyone's abilities, which makes absolutely no sense.
Analogy: if Luke sees a building and in the text guesses it's 700 meters high but turns out it wasn't, that doesn't mean it's plausible that it's 10 meters tall lol.
Your nebulous comparison to how people react to gravity in loosely comparable circumstance aside,
Good thing you only shaft this objection into a single dependent clause because I doubt you'd actually have the technical knowledge to meaningful engage with or analyze it. 🙂
let’s use something a little more reliable, shall we? Like a direct comparison of pre-prime Malgus and 1BBY Vader’s telekinesis.Darth Vader in TFU II is, emphatically, incapable of holding back the power of a small, one-two man crew starfighter. Vader has a grip on it first, Starkiller accelerates, and “for a moment” it’s unsure who would win, then “all resistance fell away.”
Compare this to Mid-Deceived Malgus. He holds back the “Razor,” a comparatively much larger vessel designed for cargo transportation and multiple passengers. Worse, he grabs it as it “continued its rise” which slowed it down. He held it for a significant amount of time as it’s “thrusters began to whine.” “He held it” indicates this thing is slowed significantly before it gets away.
Lol, after calling my feat ambiguous, this is the best you can come up with?
Let's look at the unquantified info in that comparison:
1. The thrust of a ~1 BBY tie fighter vs. the thrust of a ship much larger...but literally >4,000 years more primitive. Given that in the few decades between TCW and ANH almost all of the Republic fleet's ships had become obsolete, and by LotF even imperial era tech was considered "ancient hardware" by Caedus.
2. Whether thrusters "whining" means that the ship is slowing down, when it just implies that they're straining themselves more than usual (physics 101 lesson: the acceleration of the ship can decrease without the velocity decreasing).
3. How fast and far away Starkiller's tie fighter is vs. how fast and far away the Razor is by the time they are being pulled, given that the Razor from the context that you provided seemed to still be inside some sort of structure while it's unclear how far away Starkiller's tie fighter was.
4. Whether Vader allowed Starkiller to escape, given that other Legends material reveals that the events of TFU II were at least in part a test for the dark apprentice.
So no, not nearly as clear.
Now, apparently you are trying to boast about responding to arguments by calling them "stupid" and then deleting them from your reply, and justifying your assertions with such wonderful elaborations as "yes, yes he is". To which I suppose your trolling has been pretty 10/10 hilarious. 🙂