Originally posted by PhilosophíaZod also handled Hal easily and then he switched it up in the rematch.
I'd say no.Superman already met Hal, under the same writer, and he was handling him.
Hal IS the closest to him right now, though.
Hal's one of those guys who needs a couple tries to get an accurate reading. We saw him change shit up and even talk about it in the Zod rematch. The question is, would that tactic fool Superman?
Originally posted by One Big MobHal tells Zod "This won't go like our last fight, Zod. I wasn't expecting to go up against a kryptonian". Which is weird, since he specifically said his name [and knew who he was] when they first fought. Superman he was, obviously, very familiar with.
Zod also handled Hal easily and then he switched it up in the rematch.Hal's one of those guys who needs a couple tries to get an accurate reading. We saw him change shit up and even talk about it in the Zod rematch. The question is, would that tactic fool Superman?
I take it as he didn't have time to think/devise a plan. They just met and started fighting. In their rematch, he specifically keeps the fight to the sky, giving him the opportunity to get tactical and attack Zod from both front/back.
Superman is much more equipped in aerial fighting, that I don't think Hal can do the same thing to him. Hell, if they ever have a rematch, Hal probably won't be able to do the same thing to Zod, either, since he'll know what to expect.
I think if the fight proved one thing, beyond a shadow of a doubt, is that Hal's constructs can knock out Superman-level opponents, with the right tactic [in this case it was surprising him with different directions, but still]. Which bodes quite well for him, all things considered. But it was very specific to Zod's arrogance/lack of experience in air-fighting. Thus the 'pilot' 'theme' and shit.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaStrangely mirrors my inner thoughts.
Hal tells Zod "This won't go like our last fight, Zod. I wasn't expecting to go up against a kryptonian". Which is weird, since he specifically said his name [and knew who he was] when they first fought. Superman he was, obviously, very familiar with.I take it as he didn't have time to think/devise a plan. They just met and started fighting. In their rematch, he specifically keeps the fight to the sky, giving him the opportunity to get tactical and attack Zod from both front/back.
Superman is much more equipped in aerial fighting, that I don't think Hal can do the same thing to him. Hell, if they ever have a rematch, Hal probably won't be able to do the same thing to Zod, either, since he'll know what to expect.
I think if the fight proved one thing, beyond a shadow of a doubt, is that Hal's constructs can knock out Superman-level opponents, with the right tactic [in this case it was surprising him with different directions, but still]. Which bodes quite well for him, all things considered. But it was very specific to Zod's arrogance/lack of experience in air-fighting. Thus the 'pilot' 'theme' and shit.
All the issue really showed to me is that he has the power to knock out Superman. If you put Superman in the same fight, I'm sure Hal could take him out a couple times doing the same shit but it wouldn't work past the surprise state. Same as Zod now.
I would be really curious to see how they'd write a rubber match now.
Originally posted by One Big Mob👆
Strangely mirrors my inner thoughts.All the issue really showed to me is that he has the power to knock out Superman. If you put Superman in the same fight, I'm sure Hal could take him out a couple times doing the same shit but it wouldn't work past the surprise state. Same as Zod now.
I would be really curious to see how they'd write a rubber match now.
It's not strangely, we generally only disagree on your 'weakness' characters of yours.
The bolded part is what's really relevant. Especially in the light of all the talks on this forum of Green Lanterns vs bricks. How many Hal vs Gladiator fights do you think will pop-up? Heh.
I think Superman is much too familiar with Hal and the GL power to give him that chance.
Zod is Superman lite. So it comes to no surprise that he would lose Hal. The impressive part being Zod is Benefits from the second Sun to amp and recover.
But when it comes down to who is the heavy hitter in dc. Pound for pound it’s Superman followed by Hal.....especially after Hal was brought back to life.
Originally posted by Philosophía😂
👆It's not strangely, we generally only disagree on your 'weakness' characters of yours.
The bolded part is what's really relevant. Especially in the light of all the talks on this forum of Green Lanterns vs bricks. How many Hal vs Gladiator fights do you think will pop-up? Heh.
I think Superman is much too familiar with Hal and the GL power to give him that chance.
I think both first fights are good to show they can take him out easily, but you need to put them into Hal's "great kryptonian plan" to give it an accurate representation. Is all I was initially getting at.
Something they both should be able to get out of. He basically hellzone grenaded him. There's escapes for before and during he could have done.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Hahaha, Superman notes that Hal Jordan isn't his normal self and would not be hitting as hard as normal.The same two idiots in this thread bombard every other thread about how Superman under mental influence or mind control (Ivy vs. Batman's whistle, Lord vs. Wonder Woman SPECIFICALLY because he was seeing Doomsday. Sound familiar?) isn't operating at peak performance.
Maybe, just maybe, Hal Jordan would be approaching a fight against Superman differently than Parallax. Regardless, mind control/illusion etc. can be a useful barometer to some extent but it is at best supplementary evidence as it gives the writer a lot more wiggle room.
Because in all of the above mentioned instances Superman is noted to be operating at less than full capacity or not himself at all.
I know it's hard for some simpleton like you to understand but comics are more than pretty pictures.
Shit like this is brilliant. Because Hal Jordan USING his ring = Hal Jordan at peak efficiency.
Hal's will was not affected by Hammonds telepathy and there is no reason for Hal to hold back against Parallax.
It's single digit IQ syndrome again.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Zod also handled Hal easily and then he switched it up in the rematch.Hal's one of those guys who needs a couple tries to get an accurate reading. We saw him change shit up and even talk about it in the Zod rematch. The question is, would that tactic fool Superman?
I like that Hal beat Zod basically the same way Kyle beat Mongul.
Only sub in a locomotive for two jumbo jets.
I can definitely see similar tactics working on Supes, if Hal could work it in (Constructs can operate at ftl speeds, so it can happen.)
Originally posted by Pillow Biter
Do we really think that the writer intended to imply that Superman is significantly more powerful than Zod when both are under a full sun? So much so that two suns only puts Zod on par?
Has this kind of raw power edge over Zod ever been explicitly stated to exist under other writers?
Zod and Superman fought enough times for this answer to be obvious. Zod did extremely well against Superman. Hell, during one point he was just standing there allowing Superman to pound on him. 2nd time, it appeared Zod had the advantage. Superman even admits that Zod is moving so fast that he appears as a ghost. 3rd... Zod did extremely well... had an advantage imo and this is Zod without a sun amp (2 suns).