Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Mind posting the scan of that statement?
Originally posted by Philosophía
In the meantime, the Justice League's entire combined power [i.e. Green Lantern with Krona's Gauntlet, Captain Marvel, Flash, Frankenstein and many others] is confirmed to be far less than only Superman's.Holy flying ****.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Originally posted by Philosophía
The people tied to the machine are Krona Hal, Captain Marvel, Flash, Frankenstein and a host of others.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Originally posted by Baziemarc123👆
Now...That's...some insane shit
The fact that it's not just a statement, but an actual machine that directly uses their power is ridiculous. It's the closest you can get with the "Rocky/Ivan Drago punching measurement".
I think it's the best and most impressive relative power showing...ever.
Originally posted by panthergod
lol.. you seem to think what he said is up for dispute... it isnt.Superman was directly shown to be quantifiably more powerful than those characters. Period. oh.. and that was a fractured Nu 52 Superman who iirc was weakened at the time.
Also we've seen that of 1991, Superman portrayed as being abel to take over the world if he went evil. Period.
hi middle herald.. lol you marvel fanboys. He could wreck almost any 2-3 Heralds by himself.
DC fanboys use the term too.
I was just using a term that is use alot online.
Stick with dc.
I was using term herald to put where superman power level was at.
What do dc fanboys use by the way to compare power levels?
Let's use that instead.
Anyway let me use a term that some dc and marvel fans use online since you were distracted by the word herald.
Superman is a top tier superhero just like shazam and wonder woman.
He would be in the middle level of that and so would shazam.
Wonder woman would be low level of that.
As for superman wrecking almost any 2-3 heralds himself?
Well he could wreck 1 or 2 low level ones,but those who are middle level? he is not wrecking 2-3.
As for dc,he is not wrecking shazam or martain manhunter and current hal jordan.
He is not taking over the world with these other heroes around.
He is not beating spectre either.
So i have to disagree with that point of view that he will beat a justice league team with certain members on it.
He is not beating a team with shazam,martian manhunter,flash,firestorm,current hal and wonder woman on it for example.
By the way someone could say new52 superman is more powerful than shazam,martain manhunter and current hal jordan individually but saying he would beat just those three as a team for example and even more so if they were not holding back and really serious is not happening.
Oh and they said in one of the superman comics that post-crisis superman in post flashpoint universe was equally powerful to new52 superman.
It was story arc when new52 superman was dying.
Originally posted by mace11Ridiculous post, Superman is really not a "herald" His output is above that. He has more vulnerabilities than most heralds, but his output is higher than any herald. He is not as versatile as some but he really still can pull new powers out of his ass when needed. Philo is right in straight up combat he is just too strong and too fast for heralds.
DC fanboys use the term too.
I was just using a term that is use alot online.
Stick with dc.I was using term herald to put where superman power level was at.
What do dc fanboys use by the way to compare power levels?
Let's use that instead.Anyway let me use a term that some dc and marvel fans use online since you were distracted by the word herald.
Superman is a top tier superhero just like shazam and wonder woman.
He would be in the middle level of that and so would shazam.
Wonder woman would be low level of that.As for superman wrecking almost any 2-3 heralds himself?
Well he could wreck 1 or 2 low level ones,but those who are middle level? he is not wrecking 2-3.As for dc,he is not wrecking shazam or martain manhunter and current hal jordan.
He is not taking over the world with these other heroes around.
He is not beating spectre either.
So i have to disagree with that point of view that he will beat a justice league team with certain members on it.He is not beating a team with shazam,martian manhunter,flash,firestorm,current hal and wonder woman on it for example.
By the way i just read the scans.
See this is what happens when things are taken out of context.
Vandal said he gather a enough power from earth so-called heroes.
Meaning he did not care for any more of thier powers since superman is there.He was not taking anymore of those other heroes powers.
Vandal top prize was superman power.
He does not say superman's power level is more powerful then superheroes powers he taking combined.
He was saying superman power level was higher then ones he was taking.
Some of you superman fanboys are something else.
This what i mean taking things of of context.
This one of the reasons why i stop coming to forums like this or slowed down coming to place like this and comicvine etc..
Originally posted by PhilosophíaGood April's Fools. 👆
👆The fact that it's not just a statement, but an actual machine that directly uses their power is ridiculous. It's the closest you can get with the "Rocky/Ivan Drago punching measurement".
I think it's the best and most impressive relative power showing...ever.
Originally posted by Putinbot1
Ridiculous post, Superman is really not a "herald" His output is above that. He has more vulnerabilities than most heralds, but his output is higher than any herald. He is not as versatile as some but he really still can pull new powers out of his ass when needed. Philo is right in straight up combat he is just too strong and too fast for heralds.
That is a pre-crisis superman and maybe superboy prime you are talking about.
Not new52 superman or rebirth superman and even those supermen could not do pull any new power out when needed.
The one that was able to that the most was pre-crisis superman.
There is a reason why they scaled back superman power level's after pre-crisis.
See this what i was trying to get you do do.
Some of you do not fool me.
I wanted you to directly tell me where on power scale some of you think superman is at.
Got you in may trap.
No, new52 superman power level is not on the level of darksied or thanos level or above it.
Rebirth superman is now more powerful then new52 superman and rebirth superman is still middle level herald level.
In fact superman is not silver surfer or normal sentry level.
Some of you guys are just as bad as sentry,hulk and thor fans.
New52 and rebirth superman power level is lower then silver surfer and thor's for example.
His power level is not higher then a high herald level like worldbeaker hulk or silver surfer.
Superman power level is around shazam's level and you and others have taken the scan out of context just like some hardcore sentry and hulk fans do.
Superman power level was higher then the justice league members individual power levels vandal was taking but his power level was not higher then the combine powers of the justice league shazam,green lantern etc..
You and some here have misinterpreted that scan and it's crime.
By the way in new52 it was said in the future shazam would be more powerful then superman.
I can't find the scan but it was mention by someone in one of these types of forums.
I bet you have nothing to say about that.
By the way reading one of the scans again vandal never said superman power level was higher then any of individual member power he was taking.
He just said superman was generating an insane amount of energy and he never gives up.
Vandal prize was really superman because he was obsessed with him the most.
There are heralds or other heralds level types just as fast or faster then superman by the way.
Keep in mind zod just lost to current hal jordan and with two sun's zod said his power equaled superman's.
Is hal jordan power level now higher then darkseid's too?
For the first page vandal was really talking about each individually superhero power levels that he captured from the justice league.
If vandal thinks superman power level is higher then justice league members he captured then vandal is wrong.
Certain Characters in-universe don't always tell the truth or facts just because a certain character says something in comics.
Hulk says he is strongest one there is but of course in marvel he is not.
See what i mean.
Common sense needs to used here.
It's impossible that new52 superman IS more powerful then them combined.
His power level is around rebirth superman's level and clearly rebirth superman is not on silver surfer or male thor level.
He could not even beat darkseid by himself in the new52.
It does not make sense since new52 and rebirth superman feats and the power level known about him is lower then silver surfer,darkseid and sentry and current marvel's now hyperion.
By the way i did not see all the justice league member in that scan or action comic issue 50 in issue 50 for example wonder woman look free to me and batman for example.
Anyway these fact below for certain justice league and past justice league members.
Billy Batson
Superhuman Strength - Captain Marvel has the ability to lift well over 100 tons with minimal effort and has battled top tier beings such as Superman, Wonder Woman and Black Adam. Captain Marvel has stalemated Superman in an arm wrestling contest and has at least matched Wonder Woman in raw strength. The limits, if there actually are any, of Captain Marvel's strength are unknown.Supernatural Invulnerabilty: He has the strength of a demi-god, this also extends to his durability. He has resisted punches from Superman and Black Adam without any strain or noticeable effect. In new 52 he has power of Achilles (not courage) giving him invulnerability.
Superhuman Speed - Captain Marvel is able to move at incredible speeds and is able to move so fast that he can seem invisible to the eye of the human being. Captain Marvels speed is said to surpass even that of Superman and rival that of the Flash, and can move at several times the speed of sound while running, swimming, and even performing "mundane tasks."
Supernatural Strength: The Wizard told Billy that he has the strength of a 'demi-god' which makes him far stronger than any human and makes him equal with the likes of other demi-gods like Hercules. He has demonstrated his strength by lifting vehicles with little to no effort and pushed a man several meters before he crashed into a car while he said he never meant to hit him that hard, and knocking Superman and Wonder Woman down with a punch (though they stood up later). His upper limit are still unknown.
Supernatural Speed: The Wizard said he would be able to move like the lightning he wields making it possible for him to fly at multi-mach speeds. He has matched Superman's reflexes in battle with him; Billy also raced Diana from Earth to the Watch-tower [22,300 miles above earth] in less than 6 minutes without using his top speed. His top flight speed is still unknown, but it is assumed to be near lightspeed.
Wonder Woman
Superhuman Strength
Her level of super strength (as granted to her by Demeter) is comparable to that of the Earth itself (as this is where she derives her powers). She is thus strong on a level with the strongest other DC’s characters including Superman and Captain Marvel. It is generally accepted that she is vastly stronger then Superman, but that she is one of the few in the higher class then he is. Wonder Woman was even able to take on Powergirl in a hand to hand fight while trying to free her from mind-control. Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel were an even match when they fought. On one occasion she even used her massive strength to move the Earth (though this was under duress and aided by Superman and the Martian Manhunter.) With the launch of the new 52 Wonder Woman showed a new strength level while fighting a God, she removes her bracelets and goes into a "berzerker rage" of power. We then find out that Wonder Woman's bracelets are what protects her opponents from her intense power. Wonder Woman had a quick match with Supergirl where we found out that they are close in strength, Wonder Woman over powered Supergirl with her bracelets still on.
New52 superman and rebirth superman power levels would be closer shazam and supergirl and current hal jordan from what i see so far.
New52 superman and rebirth superman are top tier superheroes and not above herald level.
Thier power level is lower then silver surfer,sentry and thor for example.
By the way alan scott from new52 earth 2 is more powerful then the supermen from earth 2 and new52 and rebirth superman.
Originally posted by mace11
Keep in mind zod just lost to current hal jordan and with two sun's zod said his power equaled superman's.
Is hal jordan power level now higher then darkseid's too?For the first page vandal was really talking about each individually superhero power levels that he captured from the justice league.
If vandal thinks superman power level is higher then justice league members he captured then vandal is wrong.
Certain Characters in-universe don't always tell the truth or facts just because a certain character says something in comics.Hulk says he is strongest one there is but of course in marvel he is not.
See what i mean.
Common sense needs to used here.
It's impossible that new52 superman IS more powerful then them combined.
His power level is around rebirth superman's level and clearly rebirth superman is not on silver surfer or male thor level.He could not even beat darkseid by himself in the new52.
It does not make sense since new52 and rebirth superman feats and the power level known about him is lower then silver surfer,darkseid and sentry and current marvel's now hyperion.
By the way i did not see all the justice league member in that scan or action comic issue 50 in issue 50 for example wonder woman look free to me and batman for example.
Anyway these fact below for certain justice league and past justice league members.
Billy BatsonWonder Woman
New52 superman and rebirth superman power levels would be closer shazam and supergirl and current hal jordan from what i see so far.
New52 superman and rebirth superman are top tier superheroes and not above herald level.
Thier power level is lower then silver surfer,sentry and thor for example.By the way alan scott from new52 earth 2 is more powerful then the supermen from earth 2 and new52 and rebirth superman.
Oh right, another comicvine poster. Just the luck.
