Hal Jordan (Green Lantern) vs. Superman

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman is lower in power than Silver Surfer, Thor and Sentry?

Oh right, another comicvine poster. Just the luck.

Superman is lower in power than Silver Surfer, Thor and Sentry?

I don't post there that much because there is alot non-sense there just like here.
For example there is thread immortal hulk vs rebirth superman and unworthy thor.

Many said in the thread immortal hulk is beating both of them,in fact some take it further and said immortal hulk is beating the justice league team with superman on it.

See the insanity?
See the non-sense?

It's non-sense and it's incorrect.
Go to that thread in comicvine and see what mean for yourself.

Superman is not beating normal sentry or thor or worldbreaker hulk in a fair fight for example.

By the way i thought martian manhunter in new52 was fighting the whole justice league with superman on the team.
There are times writers would say martain manhunter is more powerful then superman.

Anyway i had a of enough this so i am leaving this thread.
Bye.

Originally posted by mace11
Yes he is lower in power then silver surfer,thor and sentry.

I don't post there that much because there is alot non-sense there just like here.
For example there is thread immortal hulk vs rebirth superman and unworthy thor.

Many said in the thread immortal hulk is beating both of them,in fact some take it further and said immortal hulk is beating the justice league team with superman on it.

See the insanity?
See the non-sense?

It's non-sense and it's incorrect.

Superman is not beating normal sentry or thor or worldbreaker hulk in a fair fight for example.

By the way i thought martian manhunter in new52 was fighting the whole justice league with superman on the team.
There are times writers would say martain manhunter is more powerful then superman.

Superman already defeated Thor in a comic published by both companies. Cyborg Superman already stalemated Silver Surfer.

But somehow Superman is less powerful than Thor or Silver Surfer.

GTFO and go post on comicvine with this nonsense.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And you're running with the same insanity.

Superman already defeated Thor in a comic published by both companies. Cyborg Superman already stalemated Silver Surfer.

But somehow Superman is less powerful than Thor or Silver Surfer.

GTFO and go post on comicvine with this nonsense.

Well cyborg superman was more powerful then superman in the post-crisis dc Universe from what i have seen so far,and that crossover was fan voting just like superpowered beat down.

Shazam has beaten superman in post-crisis universe as well.

Silver surfer lost to thor,gladiator lost to hulk,superman lost to supergirl on tv.
Spiderman beat firelord once,hulk has beaten thor sometimes.

Less powerful heroes were known to beat more powerful ones not at thier best for example.
Silver surfer is more powerful now then that time.

Even hulk has became stronger then he was in 80's.

Since things are taken out context in these type of forums and you mention silver sufer stalemating cyborg superman i will have to read that for myself since you mention it and see what the reason for that for that myself.

I am not taking your word for it.

I think i read it awhile ago by the way but i just don't remember the fight that clearly.

Anyway i got news for you,the cyborg superman of post-crisis and new52 is not beating or stalemating the current silver surfer.

As for new52 superman and rebirth superman,he is not on sentry's and silver surfer's level.
He would be closer to thor,but still thor is more powerful overall then new52 and rebirth superman.

Still i think post crisis cyborg superman was not as powerful as sliver sufer was in that crossover,but i plan to read or read it again.

This gets back to the topic to a point.
It looks like New52 and rebirth superman is not even on current hal jordan's level of power since zod said his power with two suns equals superman power level and hal jordan just beat zod him recently.

Another point in that crossover wonder woman was beaten by storm,lobo was beaten by wolverine and superboy lost to spiderman.
Keep that in mind.

Like i said there is non-sense here too,comicvine and even cbr in these battle forums.

This Mace guy is making alot of sense. Just like how he knew you couldn't put Sheev on trial. You might not agree with his methods, but it is for the good of everyone that he does it.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
This Mace guy is making alot of sense. Just like how he knew you couldn't put Sheev on trial. You might not agree with his methods, but it is for the good of everyone that he does it.

April Fools! 🙂

Edited/added reply above.

Anyway new52 superman and rebirth superman is not,and i repeat,not on silver surfer's level or sentry's level of power.
Both supermen in power are top tier superheroes of course but middle herald level in power.
There versions of superman are lower then thanos and darkseid as well.
In power level they are around shazam's level of power.
Those versions of superman just happen to be more experience,smarter and a better fighter then shazam but when it comes to strength they are around the same level.

Shazam has greater energy powers then superman by the way.

William Batson (Prime Earth)

# Superhuman Durability: The Wizard said he has the strength of a demigod which also means his durability is at the level of demigods as he has not shown any physical weakness. Bullets have no effect on Billy, knives conventional weaponry does nothing to his physical body as well. Only the most powerful of superhumans can topple him. He withstood a punch from an enraged Superman without any noticeable pain and injury afterwards.

# Superhuman Strength: The Wizard said Billy would have the strength of a demigod, thus making him as strong (at the very least) to demigods like Perseus, Heracles etcetera. Billy can lift cars with ease, crush guns, and knock over superhuman enemies with little effort. He punched Superman enough to hurt him when he went to Kahndaq.

# Superhuman Reflexes: Shazam's reflexes are heightened to superhuman levels. He has even reacted to the likes of Superman in battle.

lmao

Superman mid herald

Sure buddy. And Silver Surfer can create a miniature black hole inside the left hemisphere of any being

Originally posted by abhilegend
And you're running with the same insanity.

Superman already defeated Thor in a comic published by both companies. Cyborg Superman already stalemated Silver Surfer.

But somehow Superman is less powerful than Thor or Silver Surfer.

GTFO and go post on comicvine with this nonsense.

Well He does have a recent feat of him tanking the big bang.

Surfer surfing the big bang shown here

Also have other feats of powering a resort dwarfing countless planets, manipulating gravity of 2 planets

Haha

These "new" posters are pretty cool guys imo. 👆

Yeah, the last guy sounds like the spokesman for the Dinobots. 👆

Originally posted by xJLxKing
lmao

Superman mid herald

Sure buddy. And Silver Surfer can create a miniature black hole inside the left hemisphere of any being

Of course silver surfer can't create miniature black holes.

By the way i think new52 superman was mid-herld level,but rebirth superman is a combination of rebirth and post -crisis.

It's possible rebirth superman could have high herald level power but the lower part of that.

Thor as well or thor could be in middle part of a high herald.
Anyway thanos and darksied are higher then herald level types or top tier superheroes.

So far however i think thor and rebirth superman are middle herald in power.
Superboy prime would be in same tier as darksied and thanos,and pre-crisis superman from mid 80's would higher.
Skyfather level.
Pre-crisis superman would be alternate superman these days and he does not have the same power level as he did in 80's anyway.

This was posted a few years ago.
Herald is not used.
Cosmic level is mention instead.
There is another list i could find later.

chaosblazers-guide-to-power-levels-dc-and-marvel

Quote:
@chaosblazer said:
OK. Decided to make my own thread on this.

I consider there to be 8 basic levels of power between comics. Note: This is without any enhancements or extra equipment for characters.

1. Street level. The bottom level. For anyone without metahuman abilities, or those with very low level powers, like healing factors, slightly improved physical stats, mastery of martial arts, mastery of weapons use, and a plethora of other powers an abilities.

1. Street level. The bottom level. For anyone without metahuman abilities, or those with very low level powers, like healing factors, slightly improved physical stats, mastery of martial arts, mastery of weapons use, and a plethora of other powers an abilities.

Ex. Daredevil, Batman, Catwoman, Nightcrawler, Bane

2. In-Betweeners. Characters that are in between street level and mid-level. This is debateable, however, I consider the Spiders and characters in their class of power to be substantially more powerful than characters like Captain America and Batman, so they go here. Other character that go here are martial arts masters that have feats placing them here, people like Midnighter and Wolverine that have one or two traits putting them above street level, etc. I place Wolverine here because of his healing factor, which allows him to defeat most street levelers in debates. Luke Cage goes here because his durability means that most street levelers cannot handle him in a fist fight, unless they have very good martial arts mastery, though this is debateable and Luke Cage could also belong in the street level tier. I put Iron Fist here because of his chi abilities, which put him a step above other street levelers.

Ex. Kaine, Iron Fist, Spiderman, Midnighter, Scorpion, Wolverine, Luke Cage, Zealot

3. Mid-tier. Characters like Iron Man, Namor, and Ms Marvel. These characters display strength nearly on the next tier, and have other powers that place them here, but they don't quite have the power of characters on the next tier. This may also include characters like Electro, who have powers putting them on the next level but either not enough feats or not enough skill. Characters such as Thing or Colossus or Rhino may go here or possibly on the next level, depending on how specific we are. Aquaman could go either here or one tier lower. Hawkman might also go one tier lower, but I consider him a good fit for this tier. Namor could go one tier higher.

Ex. Ms Marvel, possibly Starfire, Electro, Iron Man, possibly Thing, possibly Colossus, Rhino, Aquaman, Hawkman, Namor

4. Planetary. These guys are generally a step up from the last level. This level includes most Omega-level mutants, most high end energy warpers, a few bricks, and high end telepaths. Most characters made of energy or inorganic matter should go either here or on the lower level. This also includes elementals such as Red Tornado and Firestorm. These characters might possibly be able to move up a tier, but are a better fit for this tier. Others who may fit here include shape shifters, force fields (Invisible Woman),

Ex. Hulk, Red Hulk, Iceman, Magneto, Graviton, Jean Grey, Red Tornado, Firestorm, Vision, Sandman, Human Torch, Invisible Woman, Storm, Mr. Fantastic, Plastic Man

5. Cosmic. Includes heralds, Superman level beings, Superman knock offs, Superman clones, Superman robots, Superman look alikes, Super- I think you understand. Also, guys like Thanos and Darkseid belong between here and Skyfather level, but I'll stick them here. They are generally seen as more powerful than Superman level characters, however they can belong in a similar tier, I guess.

Ex. Superman, Thor, Sentry, Hal Jordan, Wonder Woman, Black Adam, Captain Marvel, Gladiator, Martian Manhunter, Quasar, Nova, Silver Surfer, Thanos, Darkseid, Juggernaut, Doomsday

6. Skyfather level. Zeus, Odin, etc. Celestials could go in this tier, but they are a little more powerful than skyfathers. Note: Odinforce Thor is not in this power range. He is above Superman level beings, but not on skyfather level. So, there could be a tier between this one and Cosmic tier, but I didn't feel like making it. Sorry. Not really.

Ex. Zeus and Odin

7. Universal threats/ busters. Includes Galactus, Imperiex, Tyrant, Celestials, etc.

8. Multiversal threats/ busters. Includes beings like Molecule Man (pre retcon), Living Tribunal, Presence, The One Above All, and pretty much all abstract beings like Eternity.

OK. There's my list. How'd I do? Also, ask me where an specific characters belong on my chart thingy and I'll tell you.

Ex. *you* Hey ChaosBlazer, where would you put Blue Marvel on the list? *me* In the 5th tier, Cosmic level!

Odinforce thor maybe below skyfather level.

I read something the other day and that might be case,but i will look into later.

Wonder woman is not Cosmic,she is Planetary.

Ms marvel-Captain marvel(carol) is Planetary and sometimes above when she has binary powers.
She only has it for a short time.
So carol's normal power level is below Cosmic.

Wonder woman is Planetary,and not in superman's power group.

Hawkman i think is In-Betweeners.Sentry at his true level of power is when mentally stable is really higher then Skyfather and is around or equal to phoenix level of power.

There are clearly some other beings higher then the phoenix or phoenix force of course.Bane is In-Betweeners with the vemon.

Luke cage is above street level of course.
Ironman is Planetary.

Wolverine,deadpool,are In-Betweeners.
Jean grey is Planetary.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/chaosblazers-guide-to-power-levels-dc-and-marvel-689145/

I think Juggernaut is Planetary by the way.

Here is another tier chart but this one is not from comicvine.

Tier Chart (Improved)

Power

The 18 Tiers of Power

Power Tier's
~~Tier Chart~~
Tier Low Showing Mid Showing High Showing
Tier 0 : Supreme Being - Multiverse Megaverse Omniverse
Tier 1 : Ultimante Being - Universe Multiverse Megaverse
Tier 2 : Prime Cosmic Abstract - Filmates Universe Multiverse
Tier 3 : Secondary Cosmic Abstract - Gallaxy Walls Filmates Universe
Tier 4 : Teritary Cosmic Abstract - Super Cluster Galaxy Walls Filmates
Tier 5 : Cosmic Cube Galaxy - Super Cluster Galaxy Walls
Tier 6 : Elder God - Nebula Galaxy Super Cluster
Tier 7 : Skyfather - Solar System Nebula Galaxy
Tier 8 : Galactic Star - Solar System Nebula
Tier 9 : Destroyer - Planet Star Solar/Star System
Tier 10 : Primary Superhuman - Moon Planet Star
Tier 11 : Secondary Superhuman - Continent Moon Planet
Tier 12 : Teritary Superhuman - Country Continent Moon
Tier 13 : Primary Metahuman - Island Country Continent
Tier 14 : Secondary Metahuman - Mountain Island Country
Tier 15 . Teritary Metahuman - City Moutain Island
Tier 16 : Above Human - Car Tank City
Tier 17 . Primary Human - Motorbike Car Tank

Note : Teritary Cosmic Abstracts are usualy casual universe busters but less matituid of power
ExamplesEdit

Supreme Being

Goku EoAF/EOGT(Most powerful supreme being)

Mario (full potencial) - Super Mario Bros (once again according to this calc )

One-Above-All - Marvel Comics

Man of Mericals - Image Comics

Kami Tenchi - Tenchi Muyo

Gan - The Dark Tower

God - Bastard

The One - Transformers

The Beyonder(Pre Recton) - Marvel

Lord of Nightmares - Slayers

Sarda the Sage - 8-bit Theater

Ultimante Being

Molecual Man(Pre recton) - Marvel

Great Evil Beast - Dc

Akheteen with heart of Infiniti - Marvel

Almalgam Brothers - Amlagam

Protege - Marvel

ACCESS - Amalgam

Living Tribunal - Marvel

Scathan - Marvel

Lucifer Morningstar - Dc

Micheal Detheou - Dc

Wave of Existance - Xenogeres

U DO - Xenosaga

Elder God DemonBane - Demonbane

Mr Mxyztplyk - DC

YHVH - Shin Tenshi Megami

The Creator - Whell of Time

Prime Cosmic Abstract

Counter Actor - Tenchi Muyo

Chousin - Tenchi Muyo

Hom Scarlet Which - Marvel

Emperor Joker - Dc

Mad Jim Jaspers - Marvel

Bat Mite - Dc

Dax Novu Mandrakk - Dc

Cosmic Monitor Superman - Dc

Infinity Gauntlet - Marvel

The Ultimante Nuffiler - Marvel

Coei Anti Monitor - Dc

The Spectre - Dc

Mammoth Mogul - Archie Comics

Zeedmilleniumon - Digimon

Enerjak - Archie Comics

Chaos King - Marvel

Solaris - Sonic the Headghog

The Chaos Heart - Paper Mario

Secondary Cosmic Abstract

Abraxas - Marvel

The Downstreamers - Mainfold Series

Sise Neg - Marvel

Zom - Marvel

Unicron - Transformers

Primus - Transformers

The Void - Final Fantasy

Eternity - Marvel

Infinity - Marvel

Oblivion - Marvel

God Spawn - Image Comics

Full Power Dormammu - Marvel

God - Image Comics

Death - Marvel

Fully Powered Galactus - Marvel

Parallax(Zero Hour) - Dc

Ion(Zero Hour) - Dc

The Phoenix Force - Marvel

The Fury - Marvel

Bugs Bunny - Warner Bros

Sword of Superman - Dc

Nekron - Dc

Soulfire Formula Darkseid - Dc

The Source -Dc

Krona - Dc

White Crown Phoenix - Marvel

Kronos - Marvel

Avatar of Eternity Dr.Strange(Classic) - Marvel

Shuma Gorath(Within Relm) - Marvel

Teritary Cosmic Abstract

Satan - Image Comics

Appolo - Saint Seiya

Haruhi Suzumiya - Haruhi Suzuyia series

The Shaman King - Shaman King

Arceus - Pokemon

Dark Phoenix - Marvel

Shuma Gorath - Marvel

Galactus - Marvel

Super Teggen Toppa Gurren Lagann - TTGL

Full Power Tyrant - Marvel

Goden Superman Prime 1 Million - Dc

Solaris the tyrant sun - Dc

Qwsp - Dc

Franklin Richards - Marvel

One Above All - Marvel

Deamonhead Mobster Kingpin - Ms Paint Adventure

Problem Sleuth - Ms Paint Adventure

Godhead Pickle Inspector - Ms Paint Adventure

Imperiex Prime - Dc

Ultimecia - Final Fantasy

Chaos - Final Fantasy

Cosmos - Final Fantasy

Baby Mario - Super Mario Bros. (According to this calc.)

Cosmic Cube

The InBetweener - Marvel

Kubik - Marvel

Cytorak - Marvel

The Archive - Getbackers

Shaper of Worlds - Marvel

Beyonder(Post Recton) - Marvel

Molecual Man(Post Recton) - Marvel

Q - Star Trek

Dormammu - Marvel

Amped Dr.Strange(Classic) - Marvel

Teggen Toppa Gurren Lagann - TTGL

The Void - Marvel

Bruce - Bruce Almighty

Validus - Dc

Elder God

Set - Marvel

Chthon - Marvel

Uatu the Watcher - Marvel

Dr.Strange(Classic) - Marvel

Amped Baron Mordu(Classic) - Marvel

Skyfather

Depowered Tyrant - Marvel

Odin - Marvel

Zeus - Marvel

Dark Schreinder - Bastard

Gogeta - Dragon Ball GT

Saint of Killers - Preacher

Full Size Pyron - Darkstalkers

Rune King Thor - Marvel

Baron Mordo(Clasic) - Marvel

Galactic(Basicly Skyfather)

Monarch - Dc

Onslaught - Marvel

Omega Shenron - Dragon Ball GT

Z-001332536893 - Tenchi Muyo

Superboy Prime - Dc

Darkseid(Pre Crisis) - Dc

Alaxander Luthor Jr - Dc

Sailor Cosmos - Sailor Moon

Amped Thanos - Marvel

Mephisto - Marvel

Destroyer

Vegito - DBZ

Superman(Pre Crisis) - Dc

Supergirl (Pre Crisis) - Dc

Goku - DBZ

Majin Buu - DBZ

Vegeta - DBZ

Thanos - Marvel

Red Hulk - Marvel

Super Perfect Cell -DBZ

Broly - DBZ

Primary Superhuman

Darkseid - Dc

Piccolo - DBZ

Sailor Galaxia - Sailor Moon

Drax - Marvel

Appocolypse - Marvel

Stardust - Marvel

Silver Surfur - Marvel

Cooler - DBZ

Frieza - DBZ

Thor - Marvel

Amped Hulk - Marvel

Beta Ray Bill - Marvel

Amped Dr Doom - Marvel

Superman - Dc

Super Skrull - Marvel

Nova - Marvel

Sailor Moon - Sailor Moon

Secondary Superman

Loki - Marvel

Hercules - Marvel

Terrax - Marvel

Namor - Marvel

The Hulk - Marvel

Juggernaut - Marvel

Lex Luthor(Battlesuit) - Dc

Recoome - DBZ

Dr.Doom - Marvel

Magneto(Full Force) - Marvel

Bayonetta - Bayonetta

Wonder Woman - Dc

Amped Iron Man - Marvel

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Teritary Superhuman

Iron Man - Marvel

Magneto - Marvel

Nappa - DBZ

Rikudou Sennin - Naruto

Master Roshi - DBZ

Yusuku - Yu Yu Hakusho

The Thing - Marvel

Primary Metahuman

Sailor Saturn - Sailor Moon

Accelerator - ToAru

Hiei - Yu Yu Hakshou

Sephroith - Final Fantasy

Colosous - Marvel

Ice Man - Marvel

Storm - Marvel

Secondary Metahuman

Luffy - One Piece

Ichiago - Bleach

9 Tails Kubbi - Naruto

Cyclops - Marvel

The Blob - Marvel

Teritary Metahuman

Anng - Avatar The Last Airbender

Shao Kawn - Mortal Kombat

Naruto - Naruto

Itachi Uchia - Naruto

Liu Kang - Mortal Kombat

Above Human

Spiderman - Marvel

Dante - Devil May Cry

Akuma - Street Fighter

Captain America - Marvel

Ryo - Street Fighter

Wolverine - Marvel

Kratos - God of War

Deadpool - Marvel

Lu Bu - Dynasty Warriors

Edward Cullen - Twilight

Primary Human

Batman - Dc

The Joker - Dc

Mr T

Mr Satan - DBZ

Rockey - Rockey

YOU - real life

Notes

Questionable Characters / UndecidedEdit

* Dr Strange : and Dr Strange Characters Because they at points been able to take on abstracts such as Eternity and Cytorak

* Cytorak : and other Octsence members Because they have never shown what they can all do and have items that made Living Tribunal Even Worry about when Stange used it to defend himself

* Onslaght : Questionable

* Ryu , Akuma may very well fit into Teritary Metahuman Wolverine and Possibly Danta/Kratos might to its still in work but consider Above Human a very low Metahuman level
* Sise Neg , Zom , Dormammu , Shuma Gorath , Classic Strange , Mordo , ect are all ELder God at base Secondary Abstract at best and also Zom and Sise Neg are Most Likely Above Eternity

The void - marvel
The void from marvel would be in Primary Superhuman tier not Cosmic Cube tier.

Red Hulk -marvel
I think reason red hulk was put in the Destroyer tier is because he got silver surfer powers combined with is own a number of years ago but red hulk's normal power level would be Secondary Superman.

Drax

I almost to post the link for that tier chart above.
Here it is.
Tier Chart (Improved)
http://tierrankings.wikia.com/wiki/Tier_Chart_%28Improved%29

I was suppose to come back to the drax part above at the end but i can't edited anymore,so i will post my view here.
Current Drax is not Primary Superhuman any more.

Great list. I didn't read any of it but I learned a lot. The person who made that must be the smartest guy on the internet

😆

I clicked that link just to do a quick scroll and the first word I saw was "filmates"? Then 2 more times.

I was so sure of the list too. I'm not sure if being mates with Phil is a power level though.

Originally posted by mace11
Well cyborg superman was more powerful then superman in the post-crisis dc Universe from what i have seen so far,and that crossover was fan voting just like superpowered beat down.

Shazam has beaten superman in post-crisis universe as well.

Silver surfer lost to thor,gladiator lost to hulk,superman lost to supergirl on tv.
Spiderman beat firelord once,hulk has beaten thor sometimes.

Less powerful heroes were known to beat more powerful ones not at thier best for example.
Silver surfer is more powerful now then that time.

Even hulk has became stronger then he was in 80's.

Since things are taken out context in these type of forums and you mention silver sufer stalemating cyborg superman i will have to read that for myself since you mention it and see what the reason for that for that myself.

I am not taking your word for it.

I think i read it awhile ago by the way but i just don't remember the fight that clearly.

Anyway i got news for you,the cyborg superman of post-crisis and new52 is not beating or stalemating the current silver surfer.

As for new52 superman and rebirth superman,he is not on sentry's and silver surfer's level.
He would be closer to thor,but still thor is more powerful overall then new52 and rebirth superman.

Still i think post crisis cyborg superman was not as powerful as sliver sufer was in that crossover,but i plan to read or read it again.

This gets back to the topic to a point.
It looks like New52 and rebirth superman is not even on current hal jordan's level of power since zod said his power with two suns equals superman power level and hal jordan just beat zod him recently.

Another point in that crossover wonder woman was beaten by storm,lobo was beaten by wolverine and superboy lost to spiderman.
Keep that in mind.

Like i said there is non-sense here too,comicvine and even cbr in these battle forums.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Is this suppose to make sense or you're just trolling now?

..so did you ignore the surfer feats I mentioned..?