Originally posted by One Big Mob
Was weakened. It doesn't say currently. It even says Zeus was going to give him his full power. Hence why the context is important.
Carver's not wrong here, he just worded it bad with the "was" though he says Zeus restored his powers thus adressing him being weakened.As I remember it, Hercules was around Spider-Man level. Him being anywhere above that, and that being the only case recently of him being weakened is Zeus restoring his powers.
Otherwise you have Hercules being a fraction of his power doing planetary level feats.
Like I said, issue number, because that scan says anything but Hercules currently being depowered.
of course it says WAS weakened. but yes, he was BLATANTLY wrong, based on that single scan:
"HERC WAS POWERLESS...."
"BUT A FRACTION OF THE GOD I ONCE WAS... MY FATHER SAID HE COULD GIVE MY POWERS BACK..."
i never bothered to ask if there was context behind it, or even what time period was in discussion, because....i didn't care. this response:
Originally posted by carver9
Lol... that scan doesn't say he was weakened and his powers were restored.
is idiotic as regards the single scan that was presented. and what you call bad wording, i call par for the course and carv doing what he does best--being his own worst enemy.
a normal, literate person, would have said--there is more to that scene. show the next page.
i found it pretty hard to believe a weakened herc was able to spin a planet, but again, the context wasn't the issue. the nonsensical reply was.
"And his powers were restored"
That's the important part to show he worded it wrong. Although Carver is specifically pointing to the Hulk fight to refer to Herc, so maybe it wasn't bad wording, just that he wasn't weakened against Hulk. Carver would actually prefer Herc being weakened in the World Engine feat actually, just as long as he was at full strength against Hulk. Carver only cares about his strength during the Hulk fight, so it's very possible "was" works as well. You just have to specify when "was" is.
With that line though, he admits he was weakened and his powers were restored. He just worded it wrong or was past tensing to the Hulk fight.
Plus Carver might have actually known the full context, it was everyone else who had judged it by that scan. Carver didn't need to know more because he knew.
I might seem like a really huge Carver fanboy, but trust me, I know my boy can do some slightly questionable things at times. This wasn't one of those times though. He was/is correct
i disagree entirely. he was right in the long run, though, yes, when further context was provided. my response reflects only his response to the initial scan though. and that response was absolutely wrong. the scan blatantly says herc was rendered powerless.
...that scan doesn't say he was weakened
not sure how anything can be more CLEARLY wrong. you wanna infer he was meaning for the hulk fight? cool. i literally had no idea that was what he MAY have been getting at. in a vacuum, he was dead wrong. now, it doesn't say his powers were restored, (though that can be inferred) but being kinda-sorta right about half of his response, still makes the response wrong. even in your defense of him you're parsing your language--"maybe it wasn't bad wording"...."he worded it wrong or was"...."he knew the full context".... [so didn't need to be clear? so he was commenting on the end result?] or maybe he was just needs to learn to be coherent so his responses AREN'T wrong?
regardless. i'm certainly not going to debate this beyond this post. the fact that we ARE debating it shows pretty clearly the level of the response and marks the first time i've ever debated another poster's post. and the last time. 👆
I'm just saying the second half of it is him admitting he was powerless at one point and needed his powers restored. Therefore it was either bad wording which is possible, or he was using the Hulk fight as a point of reference, which again is possible.
Both things sum up Carver. Bad wording (EXPLODING SCANS), and using Hulk as a point of reference like the birth of Jesus.
To understand Carver, you have to understand that some Carving tools aren't always the sharpest. Carver might have squished the loaf of bread a little, but he still cut off an adequate piece of toast.
Originally posted by XLR87T3
I don't think so. Marvel Hercules lifted the Earth, which is something only New 52 can do. Post Crisis Superman was simply not that powerful.
Are you saying Hercules is stronger than post crisis Superman? Because that would be a laugh.
Originally posted by abhilegendRight here: https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/11111/111113401/3142278-2037466-hercules___holding_up_i_beam_while_de_powered_panel_color_med.jpg
Where did Hercules lifted the earth?Are you saying Hercules is stronger than post crisis Superman? Because that would be a laugh.
The link doesn't work for some reason. Here's another one: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-o6MdDypFPTA/TcHwaLC6ouI/AAAAAAAAEcA/nhYBu6xxjzg/s1600/11thherc.jpg
