ROTS Dooku vs. ESB Vader.

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The Merchant Senior Member

ROTS Dooku vs. ESB Vader.

Vader goes to face Luke in the carbonite room of Cloud city, when instead he meets the Count of Serrano! Who wins?

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darthbane77 Senior Member

Vader, solidly.

The Merchant Senior Member

Dooku takes this.

Kurk Restricted

Dooku dismembers him pretty quickly.

I'm open to a formal debate on this.

Rebel95 Senior Member

"[Maul's] power isn’t on Vader’s level, true, or even on Count Dooku’s level — but that never stops him. He stands alongside the Sith Lords only by sheer force of will."

This quote from Jeremy Barlow (author of Son of Dathomir) implies that Vader>Dooku>Maul

Rockydonovang freedom fighter

Barlow also says Maul would beat Dooku 8/10 coz of willpower...

The Merchant Senior Member

Don't buy that statement. Same comic has Maul supporting Talzin to the point her force power becomes strong enough to stalemate Palpatine and Dooku.

If we go by author statements, Lucas said Vader is on Dooku and Mauls level.

Kurk Restricted

You'll have to do better than author statements. It's just different interpretations at the end of the day.

LordOfTheLight Senior Member

Vader. Pretty solidly.

Kurk Restricted

Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
Vader. Pretty solidly.
Based on?

DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66

Dooku, mediocre fight.

Rebel95 Senior Member

Originally posted by Kurk
Dooku dismembers him pretty quickly.

I'm open to a formal debate on this.


Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Dooku, mediocre fight.

Originally posted by The Merchant
Dooku takes this.

Any of you care to elaborate? I'm actually curious because it's always seemed the consensus was that Vader>Dooku

LordOfTheLight Senior Member

It's just the Vader lowballing spree going on recently.

Freedon Nadd Senior Member

Count Dooku barely.

Darth Thor Senior Member

Vader. Between his Physical Strength, and Beastly TK, He would be a nightmare for Dooku who has struggled with Savages TK and Strength in the past.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Barlow also says Maul would beat Dooku 8/10 coz of willpower...

Nowt wrong with that logic.

McP Senior Member

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Vader. Between his Physical Strength, and Beastly TK, He would be a nightmare for Dooku who has struggled with Savages TK and Strength in the past.

No. S3 Savage shouldn't be even use as an example of anything. Dooku, Asajj and even Anakin and Obi-Wan are victims of that overpowered version of Savage. In S3 either Ventress or Dooku are unable to block Savage's blows. His blows combined with his TK is enough to throw away Ventress, Dooku and Anakin and Obi-Wan combined. Then, in S4 Ventress is able to block his blows as is Kenobi. Savage stomps Kenobi in their fight though, with just a Maul's mere presence. His blows are still overpowered somehow. And then, we have S5 Savage. Canon statements tell us, that it's his prime version, yet he's stomped by Maul, Adi Gallia is able to block his blows quite well, she only lost due to his physcical enormous advantage. Later on, he fought Kenobi along with Maul, and got beaten pretty badly before Maul overhelmed Kenobi with TK. Then, with all of his strneght and Maul's support, he was unable to overhelm Kenobi in a saberlock, made a mistake and finally lost his arm.

S5 Savage, prime Savage's version, would never overhelm Dooku.

And when people says, that Vader was the strongest one of those 3, and Maul was stronger then Dooku due to his willpower... well, it's a true, from certain point of viev. Dooku has never seemed to be strong enough, to survive being nearly burnt to the death or cut in half.
But overall, being less powerful in a dark side doesn't mean, being inferior fighter or being less powerfull in the Force overall.

Darth Thor Senior Member

S3 Savage never disarmed Anakin and Obi-Wan. Just threw them back in a rage. And they were still cutting him up.

Savage wasnt even in a rage when he disarmed and floored Dooku.

Now imagine Vader who has far greater physical strength than Savage, far far greater TK, and the skill of Anakin Skywalker.

I just feel Vader will have Dookus Number, just like Dooku always had Obi-Wans Number.

Freedon Nadd Senior Member

Dooku: I am your father
Vader: No! Oh, wait, I have a deja-vu.

Palpatine: Geez, here we go again.

relentless1 Dark Overlord of KMC

Vader has the edge in Force but Dooku is the far greater combatant so it'd be a good fight but nothing suggests that Vader could overcome Dookus battle prowess

MythLord Diamond

I have ESB Vader and Dooku relatively even, tbh.