ROTS Dooku vs. ESB Vader.

Originally posted by McP
Not at all. In fact, in some ways, TCW shows things right, like in the movies. There are no hyperbolics, like Bane dodging a rain, or jedi/sith moving to fast for eye to follow or Grievous with his more, then 20 strikes per second... or Mace on dantooine, Mace and Yoda on Courscant, flying Count Dooku etc.

And despite all of the scales of showings, despite how good Revan was, for example in KotoR he couldn't stomp Mandalore by speed, Obi-Wan coulnd't stomp Jango or Cad, Mace couldn't as well, if not Jango's backpack, nor Maul could stomp Vizsla (all in terms of speed I eman).
Removing all that nonsenses from canon is one, of just very few things, that Disney did well.

Force users in general aren't portrayed that well on screen. I'm not saying that they have to be god like I'd just prefer if there were more showings of power through telekinesis rather than lightsaber fights.

Originally posted by RealistRacism
There's a difference between 'can't' and 'not allowed,' which is logical, but okay.

Lol speaking of excuses

Yeah, they could have a better TK feats or Force feats overall. But those exaggerated speed or strenght feats are ... not so fine, after all.

Originally posted by TheNuisanceBird
Wasn't Barriss a Knight by then? Plus Anakin was holding back. Walking into the courtroom with a dead body wouldn't have sufficed. He needed Barriss alive. But yeah, he Force pushing him was odd although he had just executed an acrobatic.

Ok yeah Obi-Wan and Vos struggling to catch Bane was ridiculous. To be fair they did have Bane use his thrusters and he didn't do so well against Kenobi blade to balde.

Overall that scene was an embarrassment. Quinlan Vos in general in TCW was.

Yeah we presume Anakin was not going for the kill, but then Kanan was having some Force moment so easy for Maul to underestimate.

There was no indication Barriss was Knighted in TCW, even though she was in the OCW. So going by Legends she would have been a Knight, but no indication of that in Canon iirc. In any case Kanan was a Knight when he confronted Maul anyway.

Well Kenobi better beat Bane blade to blade lol. Im thinking of the point where he electrocuted Kenobi, floored and disarmed him, then carried on running but got confronted by Vos again.

That was defo an embarrassment for both of them. But yeah more so Vos.

https://www.starwars.com/databank/barriss-offee

^ Official site states Barriss was a Padawan.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yeah we presume Anakin was not going for the kill, but then Kanan was having some Force moment so easy for Maul to underestimate.

There was no indication Barriss was Knighted in TCW, even though she was in the OCW. So going by Legends she would have been a Knight, but no indication of that in Canon iirc. In any case Kanan was a Knight when he confronted Maul anyway.

Well Kenobi better beat Bane blade to blade lol. Im thinking of the point where he electrocuted Kenobi, floored and disarmed him, then carried on running but got confronted by Vos again.

That was defo an embarrassment for both of them. But yeah more so Vos.

Kanan was amplified during that moment that he wouldn't be maintaining consistently.

Oh yeah Bane rushing Kenobi was lunacy. If Kenobi was having a hard time dealing with the pain then ok fine. But Bane rushing Kenobi and getting ahold of him was retarded.

Not sure how he would realistically disarm Kenobi of Vos' lightsaber in the first place.

The reason why Vader couldn't use the force on Kenobi......
Filmed in 1977!!!!

Originally posted by RealistRacism
If he's two tiers below Ben Kenobi, how is it so hard to believe? Vader's trash now, and it's a wonderful thing.

Yeh no one takes you seriously. 0/10 trolling.

Originally posted by TheIndyJedi
The reason why Vader couldn't use the force on Kenobi......
Filmed in 1977!!!!

There wasn't really much to hurl at him in the Death Star hallways and I don't think direct Force pushes would've worked anyways. At least that's the in-universe explanation.

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Well, I doubt that even Force choke would work. Everytime Kenobi was choked, he was - for different reasons - off guard. I doubt that Vader just could break his defense with the Force.

^ In canon almost all combatants are caught off guard when choked.

That said if one is going to gain the advantage via TK, it would be Vader.

I wouldn't bo so sure. In an open area, when they could throw an objects at themselves, when the raw power matters, indeed advantage would go probably to Vader. But on the Death Star, when they would be forced to gain an advantage by strict Force attack, like choke, it might be impossible to tell. A better fencer, who would be able to throw his opponent off-balance (like Dooku did to Obi-Wan in ROTS) migh be victorious. Being more powerful in the Force migh not be a deciding factor if the difference isn't to great (like it was in Sidious-Maul/Savage or Yoda - Ventress case). An example might be Savage choking Dooku or Asajj choking Anakin and Obi-Wan at once.

Not to mention Vader constantly holds back against anyone who he has had an emotional connection with in the past

Originally posted by TheIndyJedi
Not to mention Vader constantly holds back against anyone who he has had an emotional connection with in the past

Originally posted by TheIndyJedi
Not to mention Vader constantly holds back against anyone who he has had an emotional connection with in the past

Vader takes every category with varying degrees of difficulty.

Originally posted by McP
I wouldn't bo so sure. In an open area, when they could throw an objects at themselves, when the raw power matters, indeed advantage would go probably to Vader. But on the Death Star, when they would be forced to gain an advantage by strict Force attack, like choke, it might be impossible to tell. A better fencer, who would be able to throw his opponent off-balance (like Dooku did to Obi-Wan in ROTS) migh be victorious. Being more powerful in the Force migh not be a deciding factor if the difference isn't to great (like it was in Sidious-Maul/Savage or Yoda - Ventress case). An example might be Savage choking Dooku or Asajj choking Anakin and Obi-Wan at once.

Yes youre right that (in canon at least), getting in a force attack is down to superior combat skills in the moment.

However if we look at say Vader vs Ashoka, or Anakin vs Dooku in TCW Movie, when the weaker TK Combatant lands the TK hit it doesnt have the same impact as when the stronger TK Combatant lands one.

Kenobi ragdolls

Originally posted by deathslash
Vader takes every category with varying degrees of difficulty.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on?

1. RotS Anakin beat the brakes off of Dooku when he began raging out.

2. Vader has no problem with letting his rage fuel him and has way more experience.

3. Dooku isn't taking a force fight. He just isn't. Dooku got choked out by Sheev while Vader managed to actually ragdoll the old man. That's just one of many superior force feats/comparisons. Once we get into statements of power, it becomes clear that Vader is superior.

4. In an all out fight, Vader has superior force power, actual armor, and comparable skill back up by superior force augmentations.