ROTS Dooku vs. ESB Vader.

The idea of Vader using telekinetic powers during his fight with Luke was created during story meetings. There was concern, however, that the audience might think back to the first film and wonder why Vader didn't use all his powers on Ben; but this was easily explained by the fact that Ben was probably stronger than Vader. George Lucas and Leigh Brackett also discussed the different levels of the Force; maybe Ben was a six, Vader was a four, Luke is now at level two.

Source: Star Wars The Annotated Screenplays

Credit to Darthjaggarant66

Poor Vader.

Basically in ragdoll territory for an old Kenobi, sad. It's certainly clear that Maul and Dooku smoke Vader now 👆

Asajj could probably take him as well.

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You have to bo kidding ^.-

If he's two tiers below Ben Kenobi, how is it so hard to believe? Vader's trash now, and it's a wonderful thing.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=16711087#post16711087

It is great Lucas does not own Star Wars anymore. The hack was all all over the map.

This ain't it chief.

Source: Star Wars The Annotated Screenplays

Isn't it a bit out-dated? Well, I still consider Vader a a bit overated here, but, tbh, it doesn't seem right, to place him two leagues below Kenobi in terms of Force powers.

And Asajj, despite how strong she was, would never be able to beat either Maul, Dooku or Vader in a fair fight. They are all clearly above her, possibly more then just one league.

Except, Vader is obviously not on their level anymore. G-Canon text is out-dated? I guess we just have to accept Malak's rise and Vader's fall.

Yeah I mean what a loose canon figuring out the saga as he was making it.

Excuses. Lucas had it all planned out already, he knew Vader was sub-Ventress before her character was even a real thing.

Originally posted by McP
Source: Star Wars The Annotated Screenplays

Isn't it a bit out-dated? Well, I still consider Vader a a bit overated here, but, tbh, it doesn't seem right, to place him two leagues below Kenobi in terms of Force powers.

And Asajj, despite how strong she was, would never be able to beat either Maul, Dooku or Vader in a fair fight. They are all clearly above her, possibly more then just one league.

He knows that lol

Hes clearly trolling.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
I do hope you apply this logic consistently:

->TCW Maul missed multiple clean shots on a fallen force sensitive

->Anakin got stalemated by Hondo.

->Dooku couldn't beat 20 pirates.

->Grievous got beat by 20 gungans.

->Yoda was bailed out against 20 droidekas.

Which one?

Anakin was fighting Hondo on aboard a tank that was constantly moving a fracking with his footwork.

Dooku didn't have his lightsaber.

Yeah Grievous in TCW was just retarded overall until the later unfinished seasons.

Two Droidekas drove back Anakin and Obi-Wan in ROTS so an entire army of them could challenge Yoda who in TCW has his Force abilities vastly underplayed.

Overall the context of Maul's worst showings in Rebels isn't as obvious. This is also the same show where Kanan and Ezra Force pushed Vader. Even if he's distracted that still shouldn't have happened.

Originally posted by TheNuisanceBird

Overall the context of Maul's worst showings in Rebels isn't as obvious. This is also the same show where Kanan and Ezra Force pushed Vader. Even if he's distracted that still shouldn't have happened.

Just realised the other day that Anakin was also thrown off an edge by a Padawan. In the Anakin vs Barriss fight.

Lets not forget Obi-Wan and Vos getting tooled one by one by Cad Bane.

Its just typical Filoni stuff, and not indicative of true power levels.

However in Mauls case, given his character arc, it may have been more justifiable (Not fought in years, and more frustrated than ever).

Do you have a list of poor excuses ready for anytime Maul's shortcomings are brought to light?

Maybe, I mean you seem to have some pretty good ones for why Dooku could never beat Anakin post AOTC.

There's a difference between 'can't' and 'not allowed,' which is logical, but okay.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Just realised the other day that Anakin was also thrown off an edge by a Padawan. In the Anakin vs Barriss fight.

Lets not forget Obi-Wan and Vos getting tooled one by one by Cad Bane.

Its just typical Filoni stuff, and not indicative of true power levels.

However in Mauls case, given his character arc, it may have been more justifiable (Not fought in years, and more frustrated than ever).

Wasn't Barriss a Knight by then? Plus Anakin was holding back. Walking into the courtroom with a dead body wouldn't have sufficed. He needed Barriss alive. But yeah, he Force pushing him was odd although he had just executed an acrobatic.

Ok yeah Obi-Wan and Vos struggling to catch Bane was ridiculous. To be fair they did have Bane use his thrusters and he didn't do so well against Kenobi blade to balde.

Overall that scene was an embarrassment. Quinlan Vos in general in TCW was.

Originally posted by TheNuisanceBird
Yoda who in TCW has his Force abilities vastly underplayed.

Not at all. In fact, in some ways, TCW shows things right, like in the movies. There are no hyperbolics, like Bane dodging a rain, or jedi/sith moving to fast for eye to follow or Grievous with his more, then 20 strikes per second... or Mace on dantooine, Mace and Yoda on Courscant, flying Count Dooku etc.

And despite all of the scales of showings, despite how good Revan was, for example in KotoR he couldn't stomp Mandalore by speed, Obi-Wan coulnd't stomp Jango or Cad, Mace couldn't as well, if not Jango's backpack, nor Maul could stomp Vizsla (all in terms of speed I eman).
Removing all that nonsenses from canon is one, of just very few things, that Disney did well.