Ziost's Drain - Ritual or Not?

It should be noted that even if it weren't a ritual (which seems to be mostly a game of burdens of proof) he doesn't just do this on a whim, it takes quite a bit of effort and build-up. (that he appears to go through the most immediate execution quickly doesn't contradict that fact)

It's not a Ritual, the text clearly indicates otherwise, Revan's comments during the Novel indicating he didn't need as such, indicate it was his own personal power that did this.

Their is more of a case for than against, with the burden of proof being on you guys to prove it were a ritual.

Originally posted by Azronger
What's the basis for it then

Also, I feel like everyone overlooks the fact that Ziost was a dark side nexus, so Vitiate was amped.

Originally posted by Azronger
Also, I feel like everyone overlooks the fact that Ziost was a dark side nexus, so Vitiate was amped.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Vitiate wasn't even at full power. 😐

Vitiate, preformed the Death field, and after killing all life on the planet from it, he became even more powerful.

And the amusing thing is he did so, while as a Spirit.(Weakened)

FYI: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/s_w_legend/blog/cataclysm-of-planet-ziost/105050/

Expect an update with important in-game dialogues soon.

Originally posted by Haschwalth the text clearly indicates otherwise,

No, it doesn't. The wording of the text is pretty ambiguous.

Revan's comments during the Novel indicating he didn't need as such,

No, the most Revan's comments imply is that he can pull it off by himself over an unknown period of time on a dark side nexus - that tells us nothing about whether or not it was a ritual.

At this point it's just a question of which explanation is more plausible given the limited direct evidence we have. It doesn't make sense to say "it looked different from Nathema, so it must not be a ritual" (as though Vitiate only had one possible type of ritual) - the guy does all sorts of rituals on a memetic basis, and given that rituals let you do X with greater ease than through raw power, if a ritual were possible logically the energy/time-constrained Vitiate would use it first. None of this proves things either way, but it does establish a good deal of doubt even in the best case for Vitiate.

Now, regardless of whether it was a ritual or not, it certainly required more prep time and buildup than, say, Palpatine's Force storms, which he generates casually in multiple locations across light-years.

Eating a planet and generate a Force storm are not the same things, girl.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Vitiate wasn't even at full power. 😐

Irrelevant. He would still be amped by the nexus in his weakened state. Whether that puts him above his natural level is not known, which is why the feat is ambiguous - or a ritual, as the codex implies (note, Skillz: I said implies, not that it definitively states that, so no need to jump on my back, kay?).

Or do you finally have some proof that it factually, inarguably, was a product of his own power, like you have been raving for months now? Here, I'll even link the video, so you can timestamp me.

Az, you are the one claiming that it was a ritual, it is not our job to prove the negative.

No, I said it was implied to be a ritual or ambiguous if you're generous to Failk, based on the codex entry that everyone's familiar with (or if not, I can post it when not on mobile). Your posse's the one that's claiming it was of his own power, and I've been asking for proof this entire thread.

Originally posted by Azronger
No, I said it was implied to be a ritual or ambiguous if you're generous to Failk, based on the codex entry that everyone's familiar with (or if not, I can post it when not on mobile). Your posse's the one that's claiming it was of his own power, and I've been asking for proof this entire thread.

Az, you have misinterpreted that Quote you are referring too.
You are not quite understanding the context of how it was written.

He doesn't understand context in general. 👍🏻 🤛🏻

Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
He doesn't understand context in general. 👍🏻 🤛🏻

You’re Erkan if Erkan didn’t debate.

Originally posted by Nephthys
'Whispered rumors have persisted of planets snuffed out through intricate Sith rituals or by way of deadly, arcane machines--such as the device Revan sought to employ on Yavin 4--but Ziost represents a clear display of the corrosive power of the dark side of the Force taken to its extreme.'

The text pretty clearly seperates Ziost's destruction from those caused by rituals or machines and suggests its the corrosive power of the dark side that caused it instead. At the very least it doesn't indicate a ritual at all.

lol

Well, Neph is half-right: The text does indeed offer a clear distinction between Ziost and planetary cataclysms of the past.

That distinction is whispered rumors vs. clear displays.

Originally posted by DarthSkywalker0
Az, you are the one claiming that it was a ritual, it is not our job to prove the negative.

Technically Ant was the first one in the thread to make an absolute positive claim about this.

👆

And the quote I used as evidence for my claim was posted by Nephtard (was gonna post it myself but why bother when you have unwitting pawns to do it for you?) so as far as this thread goes, I'm clean of any faulty debating tactics.

Instead, the ones whose backs you should be jumping on, DS0, would be your teammates, who've not posted a shred of evidence for their claims.

You’re Erkan if Erkan didn’t debate.

Thank you for the compli(men)t

Originally posted by Nephthys
'Whispered rumors have persisted of planets snuffed out through intricate Sith rituals or by way of deadly, arcane machines--such as the device Revan sought to employ on Yavin 4--but Ziost represents a clear display of the corrosive power of the dark side of the Force taken to its extreme.'

Not sure if it does. In the first sentence it is rumored how planets are snuffed out through intricate Sith rituals or dangerous machines. Then, the text tells that Ziost is a clear effect of the Sith ritual.

I mean, don't Sith rituals need the power of the dark side to use them?