Ziost's Drain - Ritual or Not?

The text does not contradict Ziost being a ritual at all.

The purpose of the text is to firstly point out that there had been "whispered rumors" of Sith rituals and machines causing destruction on a planetary level. This part simply exists to point out that such "rumors" are just that so far, rumors and the stuff of legends.

It then says that Ziost is a "clear display" of such power taken to its extreme. The purpose of this whole quote is merely to substantiate the fact that causing destruction on a planetary scale is very much a possibility and not just the stuff of legends if people weren't sure of them.

Didn't see Tempest's post, who already addressed this. Basically what he said.

Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
The text does not contradict Ziost being a ritual at all.

The purpose of the text is to firstly point out that there had been "whispered rumors" of Sith rituals and machines causing destruction on a planetary level. This part simply exists to point out that such "rumors" are just that so far, rumors and the stuff of legends.

It then says that Ziost is a "clear display" of such power taken to its extreme. The purpose of this whole quote is merely to substantiate the fact that causing destruction on a planetary scale is very much a possibility and not just the stuff of legends if people weren't sure of them.

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Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
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Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I honestly don't get the point of this think. Rituals require already having the raw power required to power them as well as the mastery and affinity for the Force to use them. If the point was to say Vitiate can't just randomly use it in combat, that argument is pointless. Drain is already stated to be hard to use in combat for anyone. I think if Bane can get over that limitation, Vitiate can. No one in Star Wars has a presence in the Force comparable to an entire planet's population anyway.

Isn't a Force ritual's lore to assist/boost your power and skills if you are unable to perform a certain feat?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
It's absolutely not a ritual and anyone who says otherwise has never played the game nor watched the content.

It's pretty painfully obvious that this is the case. You legit couldn't have played through all of the content and read the novel if you think he needs a ritual for planetary destruction.

Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
The text does not contradict Ziost being a ritual at all.

The purpose of the text is to firstly point out that there had been "whispered rumors" of Sith rituals and machines causing destruction on a planetary level. This part simply exists to point out that such "rumors" are just that so far, rumors and the stuff of legends.

It then says that Ziost is a "clear display" of such power taken to its extreme. The purpose of this whole quote is merely to substantiate the fact that causing destruction on a planetary scale is very much a possibility and not just the stuff of legends if people weren't sure of them.

I disagree.

But the eerie calm of a world stripped of life yet left otherwise intact is another matter altogether. Whispered rumors have persisted of planets snuffed out through intricate Sith rituals or by way of deadly, arcane machines--such as the device Revan sought to employ on Yavin 4

No where does the passage indicate it is stuff of legend, only rumors, which is a broad passage, so you cannot make the assumption that it is.

It then goes on to state Arcane machines/Rituals such as what Revan sought to employee.

It then goes on to say But.(which indicates otherwise)

but Ziost represents a clear display of the corrosive power of the dark side of the Force taken to its extreme.

This indicates that it is different to what Revan/the others sought to employee. As if you think about it, why would they indicate Ziost as being, taken to the extreme, when the likes of Revans ritual/etc would do the same, it's illogical.

The passage clearly refers to devoid of all life in which what ambria did, in which what Revan machine would of done etc.

You have Naga Sadow creating Supernovas/manipulating starfire ffs, and this is regarded to the extreme. So it can't possibly mean the affects on the environment, or have any type of device/sith ritual used.

Vitiate is factually superior to Nihilus, who has done similar without a Ritual, Revan stated he may of not need one in the Novel. All the evidence adds up. The ****er was close to finishing a Galaxy draining Ritual. The mental gymnastics you guys must do, to deny this is ridiculous.

Also, why the **** would he, wait till his power had increased on Ziost, when a ritual would of done the job in increasing his power either way, he was shown to be able to possess enough people for it not like it takes much power.

A few things to say here:
1. Don't Sith rituals need Dark Side Power to work?
2. There is no factual proof he is above Nihilus
3. Revan or the novel, IIRC, said that he prepared for the Galaxy Drain for centuries
4. Most KMC members will say that he was able to possess a multitude of people due to him harnessing the power of Ziost's Dark Side nexus

Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
A few things to say here:
1. Don't Sith rituals need Dark Side Power to work?
2. There is no factual proof he is above Nihilus
3. Revan or the novel, IIRC, said that he prepared for the Galaxy Drain for centuries
4. Most KMC members will say that he was able to possess a multitude of people due to him harnessing the power of Ziost's Dark Side nexus

1.No shit
2.their is several quotes putting Vitiate greater than Nihilus, being the most powerful force user known, and it's within universe, so Abeloth can't be referred to.
3.he prepared for it, though he didn't start it though, which is different. he only started it with the GGE. And it was foiled by the HoT.
4.that argument is retarded, let alone the fact that after Ziost Vitiate would easily be able to overcome the difference with his new found strength.

Originally posted by Haschwalth
1.No shit
2.their is several quotes putting Vitiate greater than Nihilus, being the most powerful force user known, and it's within universe, so Abeloth can't be referred to.
3.he prepared for it, though he didn't start it though, which is different. he only started it with the GGE. And it was foiled by the HoT.
4.that argument is retarded, let alone the fact that after Ziost Vitiate would easily be able to overcome the difference with his new found strength.

1. Are you going to debunk my point or not?
2. Isn't that happening before Nihilus' rise to power?
3. So what did the preparation mean?
4. It is the only way of fixing inconsistencies. You got a point, however.

Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
The text does not contradict Ziost being a ritual at all.

The purpose of the text is to firstly point out that there had been "whispered rumors" of Sith rituals and machines causing destruction on a planetary level. This part simply exists to point out that such "rumors" are just that so far, rumors and the stuff of legends.

It then says that Ziost is a "clear display" of such power taken to its extreme. The purpose of this whole quote is merely to substantiate the fact that causing destruction on a planetary scale is very much a possibility and not just the stuff of legends if people weren't sure of them.

Rituals fall under the corrosive power of the darkside, lal.

Yep.

Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
1. Are you going to debunk my point or not?
2. Isn't that happening before Nihilus' rise to power?
3. So what did the preparation mean?
4. It is the only way of fixing inconsistencies. You got a point, however.

1.lul what... I never denied they needed to use darkside power, but you missed the point.... the But was their after it stated rituals to indicate it wasn't one of those things.
2.no,there are ones after, during SWTOR.
3.figuring out, how to do such a complex ritual, no power is required there.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
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Rituals fall under the corrosive power of the darkside, lal.

Obviously.

Originally posted by Haschwalth
1.lul what... I never denied they needed to use darkside power, but you missed the point.... the But was their after it stated rituals to indicate it wasn't one of those things.
2.no,there are ones after, during SWTOR.
3.figuring out, how to do such a complex ritual, no power is required there.

1. To confirm the rumors?
2. So, it is after Nihilus' death. Of course Vitiate would be the one.
3. You do have a point post-Ziost. But isn't a ritual's role to help you do what you cannot normally do?

Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
1. To confirm the rumors?
2. So, it is after Nihilus' death. Of course Vitiate would be the one.
3. You do have a point post-Ziost. But isn't a ritual's role to help you do what you cannot normally do?

1.No it wasn't to confirm rumors, it was to show that Vitiate could take it to the next, level is what I got. afterall wiping a planet is not to the extreme with the darkside, if you look at Naga sadow's supernova manipulation, which frankly is in another league in terms of power, using rituals. however it makes more sense to be on the extreme end if it were done without any Ritual/device, but pure mastery.

2.yeah, he was portrayed to be a worse threat by the Novel, so clearly he would have quotes by Swtor.

3.Think of it this way. there is around 100 billion stars in the Milky way, so we can assume the SW galaxy would have something similar, it is also quoted somewhere that their is around 10 million habitable systems(quote me if i'm wrong) according to meetras testament, of stars going black, confirmed by Wraths vision of the galaxy being drained, turning black. Vitiate through the use of Ritual would need a considerable amount of power to start such a thing. Is one planet being Death field without ritual really that unbelievable? In comparison to what Vitiate nearly achieved.

Why can't you quite believe it? paired with other statements(revan) etc, and Nihilus's actions to Katarr who is canonically inferior to Vitiate. Vitiates power spent 1300 years passively keeping Nathema as a Void, denying the basis of life.

Afterall their is a basis to assume it was done without use of ritual, going by the context of Swtor, along with other feats/statements. Compared to arguing that it was a Ritual, in which you have no evidence. And the burden of proof falls on to you. We know Ziost occured, and since you have no argument that it was a ritual, nor any evidence, which favors it without use of Ritual, we can comfortably assume he did it from his own power, until evidence comes out suggesting otherwise.

Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
Isn't a Force ritual's lore to assist/boost your power and skills if you are unable to perform a certain feat?

Originally posted by Haschwalth
1.No it wasn't to confirm rumors, it was to show that Vitiate could take it to the next, level is what I got. afterall wiping a planet is not to the extreme with the darkside, if you look at Naga sadow's supernova manipulation, which frankly is in another league in terms of power, using rituals. however it makes more sense to be on the extreme end if it were done without any Ritual/device, but pure mastery.

2.yeah, he was portrayed to be a worse threat by the Novel, so clearly he would have quotes by Swtor.

3.Think of it this way. there is around 100 billion stars in the Milky way, so we can assume the SW galaxy would have something similar, it is also quoted somewhere that their is around 10 million habitable systems(quote me if i'm wrong) according to meetras testament, of stars going black, confirmed by Wraths vision of the galaxy being drained, turning black. Vitiate through the use of Ritual would need a considerable amount of power to start such a thing. Is one planet being Death field without ritual really that unbelievable? In comparison to what Vitiate nearly achieved.

Why can't you quite believe it? paired with other statements(revan) etc, and Nihilus's actions to Katarr who is canonically inferior to Vitiate. Vitiates power spent 1300 years passively keeping Nathema as a Void, denying the basis of life.

Afterall their is a basis to assume it was done without use of ritual, going by the context of Swtor, along with other feats/statements. Compared to arguing that it was a Ritual, in which you have no evidence. And the burden of proof falls on to you. We know Ziost occured, and since you have no argument that it was a ritual, nor any evidence, which favors it without use of Ritual, we can comfortably assume he did it from his own power, until evidence comes out suggesting otherwise.

Nice try, friend. Nihilus ate more than just one planet and he sought only the ones rich in Force/life energy.