Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
Based on a hyperbole?If you go with hyperboles and writer wanking. Then, Kun>Vitiate(post-Nathema)
Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
Nice try, friend. Nihilus ate more than just one planet and he sought only the ones rich in Force/life energy.
We have indispensable proof of Darth Nihilus consuming moon-sized Katarr but we also noticed that Darth Nihilus was not able to consume Telos IV during the course of events in KoTOR II when he arrived there. Therefore, Darth Nihilus's powers are not limitless.
As the Exile recovered from this encounter, Kreia deliberately enticed the terrible Darth Nihilus to the planet Telos Four. Nihilus prepared to devour all life on the planet, and Nihilus's dreadnought, the Ravager, was met by the Republic Navy and Mandalorian forces. During the battle, the Exile boarded the Ravager and faced Nihilus. Unable to devour the Exile as he had so many others, Nihilus was finally defeated. With Telos safe, the Exile pursued Kreia.
- Taken from SWTOR
Secondly, Darth Nihilus's unique condition (an interplay of being a Wound in the Force and insatiable hunger) enabled him to employ Force Drain powers on a mass scale. A comparable analogy is Bastila Shan's affinity with Battle Meditation albeit natural.
However;
Bastila Shan < Revan
Darth Nihilus < Vitiate
Darth Nihilus didn't bother to advance the cause of Sith and showcased complete disregard for life. To him, appeasing his insatiable hunger was all that mattered. He didn't care about 'external threats' and/or attempts on his life, and he paid the price of his arrogance in the Battle of Telos IV consequently.
Vitiate was relatively a much more elusive and calculative individual. He went to great lengths to conceal himself and his Empire from the prying eyes of the Republic and the Jedi Order until the Great Galactic War; he did not had the luxury to devour worlds from time-to-time since he risked drawing attention and his adversaries would multiply. I suggest that you read/revisit Revan.
Anyhow, Vitiate was enhancing his strength/powers over time on a consistent basis by drawing energy from his subjects. Since he lasted much longer than Darth Nihilus, it isn't hard to believe that Vitiate surpassed Darth Nihilus in all respects eventually.
I get the impression that Darth Nihilus wasn't able to enhance his strength/powers on a consistent basis over time - his condition was getting the better of him instead and he was driven to consume on a mass-scale because he would self-destruct otherwise.
"There is no strength in the hunger he possesses… and the will behind his power is a primal thing. And it devours him as he devours others—his mere presence kills all around him, slowly, feeding him. He is already dead, it is simply a question of how many he kills before he falls." - Kriea
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I get the impression that Ziost dwarfs Katarr in sheer size and significance. Ziost is recognized as one of the major population centers of the Empire and is physically large enough to have multiple moons.
Katarr looks really small from the views we have in Unseen, Unhead.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Katarr?file=Katarrdevastation.jpg
You can clearly see mountains, buildings and stuff from such distance.
You can barely see anything on the surface of Ziost however.
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The sheer hype surrounding Vitiate's demonstration of power on Ziost is justifiable - an extreme for a lone Force-user.
Originally posted by Haschwalth
There is no hyperbole, your just in denial. You need help Nadd, it's unhealthy not being open to differing opinions.
You probably think, Nihilus would defeat GM luke in oneness with DE Sidious.
"darkest power in the galaxy"?
Kun's accolade-ic establishment over the ancient Sith?
I assure you that I perceive Darth Nihilus as one of the most powerful beings to grace Star Wars mythos but I disagree with your line of thought.
Sure you do...
Except that when it comes about your precious Valkorion, you highly overrate him and his accolades.
We have indispensable proof of Darth Nihilus consuming moon-sized Katarr but we also noticed that Darth Nihilus was not able to consume Telos IV during the course of events in KoTOR II when he arrived there. Therefore, Darth Nihilus's powers are not limitless.
Katarr was not the only planet he consumed, though. So stop judging his power based on one consumed planet.
As the Exile recovered from this encounter, Kreia deliberately enticed the terrible Darth Nihilus to the planet Telos Four. Nihilus prepared to devour all life on the planet, and Nihilus's dreadnought, the Ravager, was met by the Republic Navy and Mandalorian forces. During the battle, the Exile boarded the Ravager and faced Nihilus. Unable to devour the Exile as he had so many others, Nihilus was finally defeated. With Telos safe, the Exile pursued Kreia.- Taken from SWTOR[QUOTE/]
What a nice source. It basically tells that Nihilus wanted to drain Telos once he would see there are traces of Jedi(hence he sent his forces and didn't come with his Ravager; he wanted to see if Kreia lies or not)
And got defeated. Simple as that.[QUOTE]Secondly, Darth Nihilus's unique condition (an interplay of being a Wound in the Force and insatiable hunger) enabled him to employ Force Drain powers on a mass scale.
A comparable analogy is Bastila Shan's affinity with Battle Meditation albeit natural.
Except that Bastila's talent is 'normal' in terms of Force mastery. There are many Force users who are apt in some areas of the Force(for example Exar Kun in Sith sorcery)
However;Bastila Shan < Revan
Darth Nihilus < Vitiate
1. Yes
2. No
Nihilus drained more worlds than Vitiate, so I would say he is more powerful than Vitiate.
Darth Nihilus didn't bother to advance the cause of Sith and showcased complete disregard for life.
Uh, yes, he did?
That's why he interfered in Onderon's political affairs.
To him, appeasing his insatiable hunger was all that mattered. He didn't care about 'external threats' and/or attempts on his life, and he paid the price of his arrogance in the Battle of Telos IV consequently.
Yes, he did, when he would be hungry. But Nihilus has shown concern for the Sith Order when he is fully fed. It wasn't arrogance that brought his fall, it was a blind trust in Tobin(Kreia's manipulation)
Vitiate was relatively a much more elusive and calculative individual. He went to great lengths to conceal himself and his Empire from the prying eyes of the Republic and the Jedi Order until the Great Galactic War;
If he was stronger than Nihilus. He'd have shown himself to conquer the galaxy.
he did not had the luxury to devour worlds from time-to-time since he risked drawing attention and his adversaries would multiply. I suggest that you read/revisit Revan.
Anyhow, Vitiate was enhancing his strength/powers over time on a consistent basis by drawing energy from his subjects.
Not that much of a boost. And he was using that boost to keep his immortality in check.
Since he lasted much longer than Darth Nihilus, it isn't hard to believe that Vitiate surpassed Darth Nihilus in all respects eventually.
Except that he didn't. Whatever reasons you are looking for: Nihilus has shown capable to drain planets(and he drained more than Vitiate) That's a fact.
Whatever reason you are looking for Vitiate that he didn't/couldn't drain planets; it doesn't matter because he hasn't done. Simple as that.
I get the impression that Darth Nihilus wasn't able to enhance his strength/powers on a consistent basis over time - his condition was getting the better of him instead and he was driven to consume on a mass-scale because he would self-destruct otherwise.
His powers obviously increased. That's why he was able to drain so much Force energy from many planets. But he was using some of the energy he stole to sate his own Hunger.
"There is no strength in the hunger he possesses… and the will behind his power is a primal thing. And it devours him as he devours others—his mere presence kills all around him, slowly, feeding him. He is already dead, it is simply a question of how many he kills before he falls." - Kreia
Because Kreia has been with Nihilus for all their lives? 😂
You do realize that Kreia only sees 'Force drain' in Nihilus? That's all. Anyways, by 'strength' she meant 'advantage'. And this is true because there is no advantage in having that hunger.
Just as Nihilus used some of his stolen power to appease his Hunger, Vitiate used that stolen power to keep his immortality in check.
However, people will use the Ziost's Dark Side nexus amplifying Vitiate's power. But that's irrelevant after draining Ziost because he got his 'lost-long' power back.
