Originally posted by zopzop
He can also manipulate space/time so he can see and interact with people operating at the speed of light and beyond:
He can raise the dead and do other exotic stuff with his powers. He's a legit skyfather IMHO.EDIT :
Surfer wasn't there, Namor was. My bad.
Did he get weakened? Current is a joke
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Did he get weakened? Current is a joke
The Elders and the Celestials were such awesome character concepts with so much potential. They are a shadow of their former selves now.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Yeah they've really ruined the character. Sometimes he gets a decent feat, but more often than not he's a punching bag.
Originally posted by zopzop
He can also manipulate space/time so he can see and interact with people operating at the speed of light and beyond:
He can raise the dead and do other exotic stuff with his powers. He's a legit skyfather IMHO.EDIT :
Surfer wasn't there, Namor was. My bad.
Originally posted by zopzop
All the Elders are a joke now, not just Grandmaster. Blame the idiot writers at Marvel.The Elders and the Celestials were such awesome character concepts with so much potential. They are a shadow of their former selves now.
Yup. Hence my "Phuck Marvel" attitude nowadays.
I don't think any of the elders has been depowered have they? or is due to the writers
Originally posted by zopzop
He can also manipulate space/time so he can see and interact with people operating at the speed of light and beyond:
He can raise the dead and do other exotic stuff with his powers. He's a legit skyfather IMHO.EDIT :
Surfer wasn't there, Namor was. My bad.
He also demonstrated his space/time powers when he rewrote 4 individual's history and turned them into squadron sinister (the likes of hyperion and dr spectrum) and granted Kang the power to easily defeat the avengers. It was even mentioned that his power is greater than the cosmic cube (while at that time, the cube didn't have the ridiculous feats it currently has it was still an object which could literally grant any wish). He has also opened portal to the ultraverse (another multiverse). Oddly enough, even recently (relatively speaking) in mighty avengers he was mentioned to be a reality warper...
Originally posted by operator616
He also demonstrated his space/time powers when he rewrote 4 individual's history and turned them into squadron sinister (the likes of hyperion and dr spectrum) and granted Kang the power to easily defeat the avengers. It was even mentioned that his power is greater than the cosmic cube (while at that time, the cube didn't have the ridiculous feats it currently has it was still an object which could literally grant any wish). He has also opened portal to the ultraverse (another multiverse). Oddly enough, even recently (relatively speaking) in mighty avengers he was mentioned to be a reality warper...
Was he? Then he's probably still at classic levels if the reality warping part is true
Originally posted by abhilegend
Highfather was shown that birth of Zeus would end universe by Source itself.Current marvel Zeus who got out of a fight because a titan threw a spear at him and got killed by Typhon in his child form? That Zeus?
Because contrary to what you think Greek Gods in DC are not weak by any measure. Heck Ares himself has feats that put many skyfathers to shame.
The Birth of Zeus would end the Universe? What does that mean? Can I have an issue number please.
Is this a tactical way of admitting that DC Zeus in fact, has no actual feats outside of losing to Darkseid? Can you finally decide when CLAIMS count or don't? Every thread you have a different stance.
I have no idea how an attempted lowball at Marvel Zeus is relevant? My main point is, that attributing Skyfather level to DC Zeus to claim Darkseid was impressive and ignoring that the Challenger one-shot Grandmaster, who has WAY more impressive feats than DC Zeus in current continuity (AFAIK atm) is faulty, stupid, and hypocritical.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The Birth of Zeus would end the Universe? What does that mean? Can I have an issue number please.
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Wonder-Woman-2011/Issue-14?id=7334
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Wonder-Woman-2011/Issue-22?id=7343
Is this a tactical way of admitting that DC Zeus in fact, has no actual feats outside of losing to Darkseid? Can you finally decide when CLAIMS count or don't? Every thread you have a different stance.
Not exactly but you seem to think losing to Darkseid means he is automatically weak.
I have no idea how an attempted lowball at Marvel Zeus is relevant? My main point is, that attributing Skyfather level to DC Zeus to claim Darkseid was impressive and ignoring that the Challenger one-shot Grandmaster, who has WAY more impressive feats than DC Zeus in current continuity (AFAIK atm) is faulty, stupid, and hypocritical.
Grandmaster is hardly skyfather level currently. He has far too many low showings to considered at that level.
Zeus also has his pre Flashpoint feats to fall back on and while he has only few, his average is really high.
Originally posted by abhilegend
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Wonder-Woman-2011/Issue-14?id=7334
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Wonder-Woman-2011/Issue-22?id=7343Not exactly but you seem to think losing to Darkseid means he is automatically weak.
Grandmaster is hardly skyfather level currently. He has far too many low showings to considered at that level.
Zeus also has his pre Flashpoint feats to fall back on and while he has only few, his average is really high.
what's those "Far" too many low showings? I thought it was just the Hulk battle
Originally posted by operator616He was also implied to be above himself with Isotype plot device while in his home (native realm?). Not the greatest feat mind you, but it does help out with the Maestro showing.
He also demonstrated his space/time powers when he rewrote 4 individual's history and turned them into squadron sinister (the likes of hyperion and dr spectrum) and granted Kang the power to easily defeat the avengers. It was even mentioned that his power is greater than the cosmic cube (while at that time, the cube didn't have the ridiculous feats it currently has it was still an object which could literally grant any wish). He has also opened portal to the ultraverse (another multiverse). Oddly enough, even recently (relatively speaking) in mighty avengers he was mentioned to be a reality warper...
Originally posted by abhilegend
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Wonder-Woman-2011/Issue-14?id=7334
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Wonder-Woman-2011/Issue-22?id=7343Not exactly but you seem to think losing to Darkseid means he is automatically weak.
Grandmaster is hardly skyfather level currently. He has far too many low showings to considered at that level.
Zeus also has his pre Flashpoint feats to fall back on and while he has only few, his average is really high.
Whaat? Zeus=Source?
No, Zeus was zola's child wasn't he? who was actually born and nothing seemed to happen. The main villain of Azzarello's run was first born, and i don't recall it being explained how the child (zeus) was actually a universal threat. I think it was meant that the first born wanted to use him to get to the throne of olympus.
Originally posted by abhilegend
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Wonder-Woman-2011/Issue-14?id=7334
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Wonder-Woman-2011/Issue-22?id=7343Not exactly but you seem to think losing to Darkseid means he is automatically weak.
Grandmaster is hardly skyfather level currently. He has far too many low showings to considered at that level.
Zeus also has his pre Flashpoint feats to fall back on and while he has only few, his average is really high.
I'll read those when I'm out of the library (Link blocked).
No....but I think when a character's ONLY feat is to get leeched and lose to Darkseid, using it as evidence that Darkseid can take on a Skyfather, while simultaneously denouncing the Challenger is absolutely ridiculous. It's a hypocritical stance worthy of Donald Trump.
DC Zeus has currently done nothing except lose to Darkseid. Grandmaster has decades of d*ck stroking and feats that would be envious of any Skyfather.
So, from what I understand, the Grandmaster isn't a Skyfather currently because he has low showings. What about DC Zeus? Is he a Skyfather?
You have yet to even disagree with me. What exactly is your point? You keep replying but not really saying anything.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'll read those when I'm out of the library (Link blocked).No....but I think when a character's ONLY feat is to get leeched and lose to Darkseid, using it as evidence that Darkseid can take on a Skyfather, while simultaneously denouncing the Challenger is absolutely ridiculous. It's a hypocritical stance worthy of Donald Trump.
DC Zeus has currently done nothing except lose to Darkseid. Grandmaster has decades of d*ck stroking and feats that would be envious of any Skyfather.
DC Zeus has also done several feats that would be envious for any skyfather. You're acting like it's the first time Zeus has shown in a comic. Rebirth made it pretty clear that the post Flashpoint version is the same as post crisis universe.
So, from what I understand, the Grandmaster isn't a Skyfather currently because he has low showings. What about DC Zeus? Is he a Skyfather?
Yes, he is.
You have yet to even disagree with me. What exactly is your point? You keep replying but not really saying anything.
I already said what I wanted to say. Darkseid oneshots Challenger.
So, current Zeus has no feasts other than losing to Darkseid is a Skyfather? Why exactly? Because his name is Zeus? The Olympian mythology is significantly different post-Azzarello.
I don't even mind arbitrarily assigning him low Skyfather status through convoluted ABC logic (Which you supposedly hate) but how can you claim he is a Skyfather but Grandmaster isn't?
It is absolutely nonsense. And reveals your incredible bias and double standard. Grandmaster has feats superior to anything I've seen even Pre-Flashpoint Zeus accomplish but Rulk punched him in the face under Loeb so he's not a Skyfather? SMH.