Originally posted by bluewaterrider
I'm actually trying to track down that story or some details about it right now, for even that scan with him pressing on the machine tells us the power of ASM was tripled from what it normally apparently was.
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It sounds like you've never actually read/heard of this story.
Perhaps you should (am being sarcastic here so there is no doubt - you definitely should read it, in all seriousness) before you make comments like your initial post in here.
Originally posted by krisblaze
Assuming that he can actually hurl it then it should go straight through just about everyone on that list.
I was actually thinking about that, too.
It'd be like enduring the spearhead of that girl with the throwing lance, "Proxima Midnight", if I recall correctly.
Every character on the list has survived piercing wounds of that sort save Galactus, if memory serves.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
I was actually thinking about that, too.It'd be like enduring the spearhead of that girl with the throwing lance, "Proxima Midnight", if I recall correctly.
Every character on the list has survived piercing wounds of that sort save Galactus, if memory serves.
When backed up by a projectile that weighs half a million tons, and propelled by a strength that can press 200, quintillion tons casually?
After all, Wolverine has done a lot of damage with his claws, and they hardly weigh as much.
Moreover, PM's spear was more of a net when it became that heavy. Not a spear.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
When backed up by a projectile that weighs half a million tons, and propelled by a strength that can press 200, quintillion tons casually?
All you're telling me is that key should be REALLY good at piercing, like the point of a spear is to a normal man. Great force concentrated on one area (because the area is so small) is a nearly textbook definition of WHY piercing objects are ABLE to pierce through things.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Superman attempts to throw it with a big dynamic multiple comic book panel windup and then it just plops 2 feet in front of him showing the background instead of the effects.
OP never stated how far away they were 👆
They're all standing two feet away. Or however far away you think he can throw it, they're always standing just close enough to get hit by it.
There, everyone's happy.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
All you're telling me is that key should be REALLY good at piercing, like the point of a spear is to a normal man. Great force concentrated on one area (because the area is so small) is a nearly textbook definition of WHY piercing objects are ABLE to pierce through things.
Not quite.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_bombardment
Kinetic energy = 1/2 m v squared. It's not just piercing, but also the sheer kinetic energy being hit by a key that weighs that much being propelled by a force that high would impart.
Like when sniper bullets hit watermelons. It doesn't just go through the watermelon like a knife would. It blows it apart.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not quite.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_bombardment
Kinetic energy = 1/2 m v squared. It's not just piercing, but also the sheer kinetic energy being hit by a key that weighs that much being propelled by a force that high would impart.
Like when sniper bullets hit watermelons. It doesn't just go through the watermelon like a knife would. It blows it apart.
By this reasoning, Flash and Zoom using their near-infinite mass punches should have resulted in several dead herald-level opponents.
Interestingly enough, a translation of these 2 scenes (Supergirl #9, along with whatever All Star Superman issue that is) was included in the first season of the Supergirl TV show, where Kara first visits the Fortress of Solitude with James Olsen in tow ...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gIZrqdhoqb0
Nice to know where these ideas originate from once in a while, so credit can be given to their creators.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
By this reasoning, Flash and Zoom using their near-infinite mass punches should have resulted in several dead herald-level opponents.
Zoom doesn't have an IMP. As his mass is not infinite (or approaching infinity).
Not that it's been explained.
However, using that as a crutch (i.e. PIS) isn't admissible here.
If we accept that Flash is punching at near infinite mass levels (as seen on panel), and that Superman's key DOES weigh half a million tons (as seen on panel), then either their targets have durability/shields/whatever protecting them, or it's PIS that they survived/tank it.
And as some of the these guys DON'T have that durability (Wolverine), and as PIS is inadmissible.....
Originally posted by DarkSaint85If we accept that Flash is punching at near infinite mass levels (as seen on panel), and that Superman's key DOES weigh half a million tons (as seen on panel), then either their targets have durability/shields/whatever protecting them, or it's PIS that they survived/tank it.
And as some of the these guys DON'T have that durability (Wolverine), and as PIS is inadmissible.....
Check the original poster's (OP's) list.
Wolverine is not one of the targets mentioned:
Originally posted by Galan007
-Surfer
-Thor
-Hulk
-Thanos
-Mangog
-Galactus
All of Galan's choices are herald class or above and have taken hits of tremendous weight and velocity, some piercing, and tanked, endured, survived and/or recovered from them.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Check the original poster's (OP's) list.
Wolverine is not one of the targets mentioned:All of Galan's choices are herald class or above and have taken hits of tremendous weight and velocity, some piercing, and tanked, endured, survived and/or recovered from them.
Check my initial post
Wolverine has pierced them before, despite not going particularly fast, or having much strength/mass behind his stabs (compared to 200 quintillion tons, or half a million tons).
As you have pointed out, and I have pointed out in my post, that piercing is analogous to being hit by a small key with that strength level behind it.
Has anyone ever said you were autistic, bwr? Not being mean or anything, as it is a serious condition, but has anyone ever commented on that aspect of you?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yah, I realised in the first panel.Btw, for those wondering, this is a reminder of ASM's strength level:
Notable for having two Scots writing and drawing it. Morrison and Quitely.
Why notable?
The British 'quintillion' is much larger than the US quintillion. Much much larger.
Heh! Good point. Never thought of that
Originally posted by -K-M-
Heh! Good point. Never thought of that
It makes things crazy.
200 British quintillion tons is like the mass of the largest known star in existence. That's not even the Sun, that's like a hundred of our Suns.
And that's one handed, casually. That's probably why people don't bring it up.