Originally posted by carver9
If your using everyone here at there best, the key would just fling a lot of them back... that's looking at the things their hide has withstood. Thor shot by Celestials without damage. Hulk withstanding an ongoing bite that was capable of crushing adamantium. Surfer hit by a big bang. Etc...Majority of them withstand this.
Oh NOW we go by highest showings???
I mean, I'm ok with this because I try (sometimes fail) to be consistent, but you're the one always bleating on about averages.
How do they stand up to Wolverine? Let's ignore cheese feats ;-) battle feats are better.
In combat against Wolverine, who is far weaker than ASM, astronomically weaker, in fact...would he just bounce off?
Originally posted by carver9
If your using everyone here at there best, the key would just fling a lot of them back... that's looking at the things their hide has withstood. Thor shot by Celestials without damage. Hulk withstanding an ongoing bite that was capable of crushing adamantium. Surfer hit by a big bang. Etc...Majority of them withstand this.
How do you know that the Celestials blasted Thor with a force greater than the thrown key? And that is assuming that we can equate blunt force with energy beams (which has more burning power than concussive power).
How do you know that adamantium of any size can withstand the key throw as well?
How do you know what is the maximum thickness of adamantium the dogs could crush?
Surfer hit by a Big Bang? Scans? I am definitely eager to see this.
If Superman can exert (casually) more than 400 trillion times the weight of that key then he is throwing it at insane speeds to produce unimaginable pressure.
You would be hard pressed to prove that any of these characters tanked such pressures on their high end.
IMO, the key thrown at the force Superman can casually one arm lift should destroy all these characters (from the kinetic energy) with the exception of Galactus (him surviving Galaxies being destroyed). That means we have to disregard showings like BRB putting a hole in his helmet and Thor cracking his helmet.
In regards to Carver. I would say those feats are AS Superman average.
I don’t recall him showing himself weaker in other scenes. I could be wrong though. So why would it be fair to use those characters highest showings?
Although I really don’t care if we do.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh NOW we go by highest showings???I mean, I'm ok with this because I try (sometimes fail) to be consistent, but you're the one always bleating on about averages.
How do they stand up to Wolverine? Let's ignore cheese feats ;-) battle feats are better.
In combat against Wolverine, who is far weaker than ASM, astronomically weaker, in fact...would he just bounce off?
You looked over an important word in my post... it has become a common thing due to people always trying to find comebacks or ways to bash instead of just reading. I said IF we are using this, not IS. Also, Wolverine claws are unique. Wolverine claws have been described as being able to slice an atom in half. It is the sharpest weapon in comics, period. Also, there have been times where Wolverine claws have failed to cut the Hulk. It all depends on how pissed he is tbh. It doesn't matter since this key does not equal or isn't the same as being hit by Wolverine claws.
Unless All-Star Superman (it won't do to use his unfortunate acronym here) is specifically targeting these guys with head shots and intent to kill, even the weakest should survive. All of these are extremely durable individuals with records of surviving tremendous damage, due to either extreme damage soak ability, alien physiology, cosmic energy, healing factor, or some combination of these traits. Only in comics written by Kirkman would I be willing to entertain the watermelon physics DS proposed, especially given the kind of damage I've seen some of them sustain and keep functioning with.
Good case in point is Hulk, not only with Proxima's star-weighted spear, but earlier in battle against Zom, a powerful Dr.Strange-summoned demon who literally punched football-sized holes in Hulk's torso:
Source: World War Hulk #4
Circa: 2007
Thor recently caught a large city made entirely out of gold skyscrapers and all and then threw it in the sun. Thor catches it.
Any of these guys could catch it. This is low end stuff.The only variable is how fast Supes throws it and how strong is the keys material.
At worst they get a single shrapnel injury akin to a frag wound. Unless he is specifically aiming at their eye. And they could damage soak that.
Everyone here can pick the key up. This may be a feat for some new herald or mid brick but it's low end when you get up to these guys level
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Unless All-Star Superman (it won't do to use his unfortunate acronym here) is specifically targeting these guys with head shots and intent to kill, even the weakest should survive. All of these are extremely durable individuals with records of surviving tremendous damage, due to either extreme damage soak ability, alien physiology, cosmic energy, healing factor, or some combination of these traits. Only in comics written by Kirkman would I be willing to entertain the watermelon physics DS proposed, especially given the kind of damage I've seen some of them sustain and keep functioning with.
Good case in point is Hulk, not only with Proxima's star-weighted spear, but earlier in battle against Zom, a powerful Dr.Strange-summoned demon who literally punched football-sized holes in Hulk's torso:Source: World War Hulk #4
Circa: 2007
Superman is throwing a half million ton key at a force of 400 trillion times the weight of the key.
You have to provide feats in Which a character has tanked such forces or pressures. Stating that Zom punched holes through Hulk does not prove that Zom punched with more force than the key will be thrown at.
Originally posted by h1a8Assume the floor is made of the same material found in Professor Quintum's lab... The same material that didn't even crack when Supes was exerting upwards of 200 QUINTILLION tons of force:
With that said, the ground would not only have to be durable as shit but the coefficient of friction on Superman's feet has to be astronomical (unless he is flying as he throws it).
