All-Star Superman throws his key...

Started by DarkSaint8511 pages

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You said:

That part is the part I have an issue with. You said IF, but that's a f*cking huge goddamn IF.


Hence....the caps, lol.


I honestly did forget that Samson said that in the comic, I thought you were attributing it to his bible mythology about his strength coming from his hair because you said:

Regardless, what do you think that means? That Samson is invincible to anything but scissors and Superman...? Are you taking that even remotely literally? Because that again, would be a HUGE leap.


So it's a leap to take the comic at face value, and it's a leap to make connections of our own. OK.

Originally posted by carver9
Samson and Hercules in the All Star books is featless. It's pointless even bringing them up. Both would lose to Colossus if a thread was made. Hell, its debatable if they can even beat Spiderman. They dont have a single thing proving they could.

Samson knocked a heavy creature into orbit with ease.

Originally posted by h1a8
Samson knocked a heavy creature into orbit with ease.

Wolverine kill him with utter ease. Colossus destroys him. Prove me wrong.

Originally posted by Diesldude
How do you compare this getting hit by the key to hyperion catching the planet going 500k Mph?
How fast does superman have to throw this key to match the same force if that planet was earth size and weight?
Force = change in momentum over change in time.

Thus it depends on how much time it took Hyperion to stop the planet.

Give me a good and fair estimate and I'll calculate both with decent precision.

Originally posted by carver9
Wolverine kill him with utter ease. Colossus destroys him. Prove me wrong.

I just gave you a strength feat made by Samson that dwarfs any Colossus has done.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
woooooow indeed.

Read what I said. Samson had only one weakness: to scissors.

I was clarifying that it was Atlas who would be the guy who held up the heavens.

Stoic was misreading my post, and mistakenly thinking I said that Samson held up the heavens.

Jesus, does nobody understand basic English anymore?

So about the context of Bar-El and his wife Lilo-El. Clearing that up would probably be a better means of discovering just how strong AS Superman was. or at least help to place him within a strength tier. They fought after all. I recall them doing pretty good for a little while, but was that due to the sun poisoning that Superman was going through, or were they legitimately able to give him a decent fight?

The weight that ASS lifted with one arm was well under the weight of the planet Earth. I'm assuming that Atlas holds the Earth up all year long, but without actually seeing it, there isn't any hard proof to say that he wasn't lifting a fraction of the weight of Earth, which becomes a possibility without seeing any solid proof.

So we have 2 different scenarios.

1. If Atlas can lift the true weight of the Earth, and not some replica. ASS easily beating him in the arm wrestling match automatically brings ASS into the planetary plus strength class with ease. Atlas gave his all, and was easily defeated after all. ASS wasn't actually even pushing, making it a monstrous strength feat for him. I'm leaning towards believing this version.

Or,

2 Atlas really didn't have Earth sized planetary strength, which stems from his lack of feats, and kind of allows for a person to ignore plot. Furthermore, Bar El and his wife Lilo-El gave ASS a tough time. Tougher than Atlas and Samson at least by appearances.

Determining the damage that the key would do, is directly linked to how strong AS Superman actually was. If we looked at it subjectively, it may do nothing but turn to dust the moment that he threw it because of drag, but then again maybe not?

The key had to be at least as strong as Adamantium, or an equally strong substance just to be picked up at that weight right? Then we have to consider what it was made of, and would it actually turn into an anti matter bomb if hurled at the highest speed that it could achieve before impact. Anti matter comes from stars after all. Then we have to consider drag, because a key isn't exactly a throwing knife, which creates friction that may or may not be able to affect anything as durable as this particular object would have to be.

The impact would probably destroy an entire solar system.

Go throw a key. Air resistance is less of an issue.

Now scale up to imagining your strength is 200 quintillion tons (easily).

As for the fight, remember.....Superman was weakened. They did pretty well because it wasn't until later the poisoning caught up with them.

Superman also never once tried to fight them back OR defend himself.

He was initially hoping they would succeed him as the protectors of earth when he died... He was trying to be friendly with them, in lieu of their hostility.

Originally posted by carver9
Wolverine claws have been described as being able to slice an atom in half.

What issue?

Is All Star Superman above Post crisis in lifting? just curious

He could be, but we don't know.

Originally posted by carver9
Wolverine claws have been described as being able to slice an atom in half.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
What issue?

Still waiting.

The Despicable Carver9 #4 released in Apr 19th, 2018

Originally posted by Parmaniac
The Despicable Carver9 #4 released in Apr 19th, 2018

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Carver, hello!

Carv is ignoring us. Tsk tsk.

Bump.

The only ones who MIGHT survive are Mangog and Galactus

I was kind of disappointed at the dwarf star metal or whatever it was.

Because it would have been funnier if he meant a normal sized normal key is more secure, because he can simply take it with him, like everyone else does.