Originally posted by Galan007
Both the source material and audio drama explicitly state that Leia consciously added her power to Luke's. She undoubtedly knew what she was doing.
Yes, Galan, I accept that she added her power to Luke and that she was aware of that addition. However, she added her power to Luke during the force bond. She amped Luke with BM, while he was dueling. At this point in the fight, she was unaware of her addition.
Originally posted by SiniousIn the audio drama, Leia could not visually see the fight with her own eyes(it was too fast for her to comprehend.) Instead, she reached out with the force -- sensing the ebb and flow of light and dark to determine who was winning:
And how do you explain the glowing during the fight?
Leia: "They're both moving so fast, I can hardly see them..! I can sense waves of power -- the dark side and the light. But I feel... The light is winning!"
So if you sync that specific part of the audio drama, with that specific part of the comic, then perhaps the glow present here could be interpreted as an artistic depiction of Leia reaching out with the force in order to sense the battle.
Originally posted by DarthSkywalker0Thing is, that wasn't stated.
However, she added her power to Luke during the force bond.
As mentioned, the audio drama told us precisely when the amp happened. If the intent was that Leia was passively amping Luke beforehand, we would have undoubtedly been informed of such, imo.
Originally posted by Sheev
I agree tbh. 👆
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Originally posted by Galan007
You getting so hysterically angry at people disagreeing with your [biased] interpretation of the material and incessantly throwing around these faux-insults(like little hissy-fits) is what's "worrying" to me, lol.The audio drama makes absolutely NO mention of Leia amping Luke prior to him besting Palpatine in sabers... None at all. If it wasn't mentioned, implied, or alluded to, then why on earth should I assume that it was happening..? Because the comics depict Leia with a 'glow' around her during the fight? Lol, please.
In the audio drama, the amp ONLY came AFTER the saber clash. Period/end of story.
Originally posted by Galan007
If trolling = pointing out facts from the audio drama, then yes. That's exactly what I'm doing. 🙂You getting THIS heated because people are disagreeing with you is kind of unsettling, though. I've never seen anything quite like it, tbh.
LMFAO
Originally posted by DarthSkywalker0But even IF she was amping Luke during the saber battle, the amp was negligible at best because Luke couldn't even sense that his power was increasing at all until after the saber battle.
Yes, Galan, I accept that she added her power to Luke and that she was aware of that addition. However, she added her power to Luke during the force bond. She amped Luke with BM, while he was dueling. At this point in the fight, she was unaware of her addition.
So yeah, doesn't seem like he was being boosted at that specific point.
@Galan:
1. It says in the comic that Leia was passively bming Luke.
2. The aforementioned amp in the audio drama is described as a Force Bond not BM. Additionally, Leia is cognizant of said amp.
3. This description bifurcates the Force Bond from the BM described in the comic.
So, we either call it a contradiction or we attempt to rationalize the discrepancy. In the case of contradiction, the comic holds precidence.
Originally posted by Sheev
But even IF she was amping Luke during the saber battle, the amp was negligible at best because Luke couldn't even sense that his power was increasing at all until after the saber battle.So yeah, doesn't seem like he was being boosted at that specific point.
The amp is described as elementary and Luke was not cognizant of it. But, this is a SKYWALKER not some random padawan. We can also compare Luke’s previous performance against Sidious where he is easily dealt with. So, the amp must have had some effect.
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Also, about Leia being fully aware of everything that was going on:
In fact, Leia wasn't even aware of her own BM.
Originally posted by DarthSkywalker0In the audio drama, Leia only figures out what the Holocron meant(ie. that she needed to add her power to Luke's) AFTER the saber clash. Beforehand it was never once alluded to that she was amping Luke(be it actively OR passively.) This is the crux of the argument.
@Galan:1. It says in the comic that Leia was passively bming Luke.
2. The aforementioned amp in the audio drama is described as a Force Bond not BM. Additionally, Leia is cognizant of said amp.
3. This description bifurcates the Force Bond from the BM described in the comic.So, we either call it a contradiction or we attempt to rationalize the discrepancy. In the case of contradiction, the comic holds precidence.
Regardless, I'm fine with perceived contradictions -- they happen all the time(especially in this type of media.) And if you've read my posts here, you'll note that attempting to draw parallels between these two forms of media was NEVER my intent(until I was literally asked to do so.) As I have mentioned ad nauseam: I have ONLY been discussing the audio drama here, because that is the source which was originally brought up on the first page.
The only reason this discussion went anywhere(because like I mentioned: I could give two shits if Luke was amped or not -- I have no vested interest in that side of things) is because others popped-in and automatically started going off on a hate-fueled bash-fest when myself(and others) cited explicit facts from the audio drama.
That's all. 🙂
Originally posted by Galan007
In the audio drama, Leia only figures out what the Holocron meant(ie. that she needed to add her power to Luke's) AFTER the saber clash. Beforehand it was never once alluded to that she was amping Luke(be it actively OR passively.) This is the crux of the argument.Regardless, I'm fine with perceived contradictions -- they happen all the time(especially in this type of media.) And if you've read my posts here, you'll note that attempting to draw parallels between these two forms of media was NEVER my intent(until I was literally asked to do so.) As I have mentioned ad nauseam: I have ONLY been discussing the audio drama here, because that is the source which was originally brought up on the first page.
The only reason this discussion went anywhere(because like I mentioned: I could give two shits if Luke was amped or not -- I have no vested interest in that side of things) is because others popped-in and automatically started going off on a hate-fueled bash-fest when myself(and others) cited explicit facts from the audio drama.
That's all. 🙂
That’s fair enough the Star Wars forum has been known to be quite hostile.
Originally posted by DarthSkywalker0Disagree. Leia knew exactly when she started boosting Luke and so did Luke himself. If the boost was happening during the saber fight [which I also disagree with mind you] it was obviously borderline insignificant or else Luke would have known that his power was being increased. This isn't some inept forcetard we're talking about lol.. surely he can sense when external power is being dumped into him ?
The amp is described as elementary and Luke was not cognizant of it. But, this is a SKYWALKER not some random padawan. We can also compare Luke’s previous performance against Sidious where he is easily dealt with. So, the amp must have had some effect.
Comparing their preformances in ROTJ doesn't make sense. Both have become a good deal more powerful by DE.
Originally posted by Sheev
Disagree. Leia knew exactly when she started boosting Luke and so did Luke himself. If the boost was happening during the saber fight [which I also disagree with mind you] it was obviously borderline insignificant or else Luke would have known that his power was being increased. This isn't some inept forcetard we're talking about lol.. surely he can sense when external power is being dumped into him ?Comparing their preformances in ROTJ doesn't make sense. Both have become a good deal more powerful by DE.
1. It is literally stated within the comic that Leia is unaware of the fact that she was using BM.
2. I am referring to their fight in DE. I am stating to wonder why you are talking so authoritatively on a comic you’ve never read.
Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
I like the fact how people don't take in account Sidious' boost and Luke's hindered abilities on the Eclipse. And light side battle meditation does not increase your power nor your skills. It just gives you a Naruto: I believe I will become Hokage moment.
Freedumb Nadd.
Originally posted by DarthSkywalker0
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Originally posted by Galan007No one cares about you only wanting to talk about the audio drama, just like no one ever claimed the audio drama states that Luke was amped during the duel. There are other sources that have a say in this, and you've repeatedly ignored them. That's the only reason why this discussion is 3 pages long.
In the audio drama, Leia only figures out what the Holocron meant(ie. that she needed to add her power to Luke's) AFTER the saber clash. Beforehand it was never once alluded to that she was amping Luke(be it actively OR passively.) This is the crux of the argument.Regardless, I'm fine with perceived contradictions -- they happen all the time(especially in this type of media.) And if you've read my posts here, you'll note that attempting to draw parallels between these two forms of media was NEVER my intent(until I was literally asked to do so.) As I have mentioned ad nauseam: I have ONLY been discussing the audio drama here, because that is the source which was originally brought up on the first page.
The only reason this discussion went anywhere(because like I mentioned: I could give two shits if Luke was amped or not -- I have no vested interest in that side of things) is because others popped-in and automatically started going off on a hate-fueled bash-fest when myself(and others) cited explicit facts from the audio drama.
That's all. 🙂
It's too bad that Luke himself says Leia's power was already added to Luke's before the fight even started. The idea of Leia helping Luke right before the fight and right after the fight, but not during the fight is insipid. The whole "she couldn't even see them" argument also doesn't work, because Force users cannot see other force users who move extremely fast in many instances, but they can still react to them or sense them without any issues. Anakin wasn't able to see Mace and Palpatine, but that doesn't make him useless in such confrontation. That scene not being in the movie doesn't mean anything in terms of Legends continuity. There is also the instance where Dooku cannot see Kenobi's attacks because they're too fast but still can parry them.
Originally posted by Sheevdied
Comparing their preformances in ROTJ doesn't make sense. Both have become a good deal more powerful by DE.
1. it wasn't stated in the original source material, which is what everyone is citing. in the source material Leia definitely know what was happening with her boost.
2. In most forms of media [but esp. comics] it is very common for the protagonist to lose to the big bad in the first fight, but then come back and stomp the big bad in round 2 for no reason other then they're the good guy... literally hundreds of examples. that doesn't mean there must have been an amp by default. esp. when the other source gives no timeframe at all.
Originally posted by Sheev
1. it wasn't stated in the original source material, which is what everyone is citing. in the source material Leia definitely know what was happening with her boost.2. In most forms of media [but esp. comics] it is very common for the protagonist to lose to the big bad in the first fight, but then come back and stomp the big bad in round 2 for no reason other then they're the good guy... literally hundreds of examples. that doesn't mean there must have been an amp by default. esp. when the other source gives no timeframe at all.
1. Yes, it was.
2. There is a timeframe.
