This question is almost impossible to answer. To come even close to an answer, you would need to set up a bunch of limitations and rules. If you don't set up rules, then a character like the Hulk, who is known for his strength... wouldn't even make it to the top 50.
There are plenty of omniversal, multiversal and universal characters, who are above concepts like strength and speed. The top 3 spots there would go to the individual uber-Gods of the three biggest comic book universes: Marvel, DC and Image.
For Marvel it would be The One Above All, for Image it would be the Man of Miracles aka Mother of Existence... and for DC it should be the Presence, although I'm not entirely sure how someone like the Over-Monitor compares to the Presence. But you get the idea.
If you take all of those abstract characters out of the discussion and try to go with regular, more tangible characters... it's still very hard to discuss it properly.
Galan mentioned Ultraman due to him lifting the Book of Infinite Pages, but I'm kinda not really feeling that. It's a too easy way out, because it implies infinite strength. But one could make the argument, that the Hulk has infinite strength as well. Beyonder said the Hulk had infinite power, so there must be something to it.
I think that many comic book readers will bring up Superman as an example, when it comes to more tangible strength... But how high up would Superman be on such top 10 list? Would he even make it into the top 10? There is a Marvel villain called Kurse, who is supposedly 4 times stronger than Thor. Is Superman 4 times stronger than Thor? I personally have my doubts. Superman is stronger than Thor, but imagine doubling Supermans strength? Is Superman stronger than that? I don't see it. And now imagine quadrupling Thors strength. There is no way in hell that Superman is stronger than that.
Then it also becomes the question of alternate reality characters. What about Superman-Prime One Million? That's a regular Superman, who spent a lot of time inside the Sun, which fueled his power. By default he should be a looot stronger. But that was a one time deal. I don't think that alternate reality characters should factor in, when it comes to such discussions.
Out of the top of my head, some of the more tangible and canon characters in the top 10 physically strongest characters in fiction, would be (in no particular order)...
Asura from Asuras Wrath:
That guy went up against beings larger than Earth at the beginning of the game and he only got more powerful since then. In the end he was blocking attacks from a god, who was so big, that his eyes had the size of galaxies.
Hyperion (Mark Milton) from Marvel:
Slowed down a planet larger than Earth, that was traveling at 500.000 miles per hour. He supposedly also held the weight of two universes apart and survived their explosion, while being at the center of it.
Hulk from Marvel:
His base form isn't as impressive as some other characters, but his power scales with his rage. Eventually he can reach a state like the World Breaker Hulk, where he simply wrecks shit. Upon colliding with another character he destroyed the planet he was fighting on and cracked a couple of planets around him. And I would call that a low showing for his potential strength levels.
Plutonian from Irredeemable:
The weight of a starsystem got dropped down on him. All of that weight liquified characters, who were strong and durable enough to split planets in half with mere punches. Plutonian just took it without any issue and that while being in a vegetative state. On another occasion he was carrying the weight of a neutron star.
Sentry from Marvel:
A weakened Sentry fought World War Hulk to a standstill. And an amped Sentry (the amp unlocked his own potential) mirrored the strength of over 100 heroes, with some of the heroes being power houses like the Hulk, Hyperion, Blue Marvel and so on. And as the Void he broke the Hulk on multiple occasions and was in the process of ripping Thor in half.
Superboy-Prime:
Pretty much like Superman, but just stronger. And he too has the benefit of being able to amp his strength with solar radiation.
Honorable mentions:
Darkseid, Doomsday, Lobo, Kurse, Mangog, Odin / Zeus (via magical amp).
Disclaimer:
My arguments are based on characters either having insane power levels by default (Sentry / Plutonian), or being able to amp their strength levels (Hulk, Superboy-Prime).
That's why I wouldn't put characters like Thor, Blue Marvel or Black Adam onto the list, because they are more likely to hit limits sooner than later).
Wasnt infinite in weight. One punch man and Goku is the strongest in all of fiction. I'm saying One Punchman because of what he have done with just a simple slap and I'm saying Goku because he was moving around comfortably with the weight of a black hole on top of him. That isnt the impressive part though. The impressive part is, he was depleted of power. He also almost destroyed a couple of Universes with his punching power and was shedding planets and Suns
In comics. Hulk is obviously the strongest comic book character.
Originally posted by carver9He also almost destroyed a couple of Universes with his punching power and was shedding planets and Suns
We're talking about physical strength here, and not some mumbo-jumbo mystical waves, which we could see during the fight between Beerus and Goku.
Even in fiction shockwaves get weaker the further away they travel from the source of impact. In DBZ they were the weakest at the center and got stronger the further away they got. At the center they were laughable compared to comic book characters.
There isn't a single strength-based feat in the Dragonball universe, which puts Dragonball characters on the level of comic book high heralds. Not even a single one. Dragonball characters are known for their KI energy projection. Their strength and durability against physical attacks however... barely low herald level.
Pick Thor. Thor wouldn't be affected by Gokus strength. But on the other hand, Thor would kill Goku with a single, serious Mjolnir smack. You know, the smacks, which destroyed planets and cracked nearby moons, which we could see during Thors fight against Gorr? Goku is not surviving those.
Originally posted by Enzeru
We're talking about physical strength here, and not some mumbo-jumbo mystical waves, which we could see during the fight between Beerus and Goku.Even in fiction shockwaves get weaker the further away they travel from the source of impact. In DBZ they were the weakest at the center and got stronger the further away they got. At the center they were laughable compared to comic book characters.
There isn't a single strength-based feat in the Dragonball universe, which puts Dragonball characters on the level of comic book high heralds. Not even a single one. Dragonball characters are known for their KI energy projection. Their strength and durability against physical attacks however... barely low herald level.Pick Thor. Thor wouldn't be affected by Gokus strength. But on the other hand, Thor would kill Goku with a single, serious Mjolnir smack. You know, the smacks, which destroyed planets and cracked nearby moons, which we could see during Thors fight against Gorr? Goku is not surviving those.
No matter how much you want to deny this, the shockwaves generated from Goku and Beerus was enough to shed the Universe. It was their physical power that achieved this. The reason the beginning of the shockwaves wasnt ax destructive was due to plot for Earth being saved from the collision, but, it's a universal ft for Goku and Beerus, no matter how much you dislike it. You wouldnt be arguing against it if it was Sentry. With that said, Goku have Universal PLUS strength.
Also, it takes STRENGTH to move around comfortably inside of a black hole.
Question, can you post a scan of a high Herald generating enough force from the punch that the shockwaves destroys a mountain and shake the planet as a side effect. I'm asking you to show me shockwaves turning a mountain to dust.
Originally posted by carver9No matter how much you want to deny this, the shockwaves generated from Goku and Beerus was enough to shed the Universe.
I didn't say that wasn't the case. I just pointed out other things, which add a lot more context to the entire showing. Things, which you ignore, because it suits your narrative.
Originally posted by carver9It was their physical power that achieved this.[B]
Eh, no. If only physical power was involved, then the showing would follow the rules of physics and logic. But that wasn't the case.
If these shockwaves got created by two fists colliding with each other, then the molecules around the spot of impact would have been pushed away. Obviously it would have been the strongest at the center of the impact. And the further away the molecules would travel, the slower they would get. That's how shockwaves work.
Originally posted by carver9[b]The reason the beginning of the shockwaves wasnt ax destructive was due to plot for Earth being saved from the collision, but, it's a universal ft for Goku and Beerus, no matter how much you dislike it.
It has nothing to do with me liking or disliking something.
It was made very clear, that the shockwaves got stronger the further away they got from the source. When Goku and Beerus collided, it didn't even look like a regular shockwave would look. Their shockwaves came from a blue energy and were wavey, very much like KI is often portrayed in Dragonball.
As I said... regular shockwaves are at their strongest at the source. Then they start losing their power. During the Goku VS Beerus fight it was the exact opposite.
And these shockwaves are not a threat to someone like Thor, because he is more than durable enough to withstand the power of the shockwaves at their source. Goku however can't withstand the power of the shockwaves Thor can create with his Mjolnir strikes.
Originally posted by carver9You wouldnt be arguing against it if it was Sentry. With that said, Goku have Universal PLUS strength.
Of course I would. As I said, it has nothing to do with what I like and what I dislike. I argue the truth.
Also no, Goku doesn't have universal PLUS strength. You're a crazed, stereotypical, cliché Dragonball fanboy, who doesn't grasp the simplest things.
Originally posted by carver9Also, it takes STRENGTH to move around comfortably inside of a black hole.
Stop being an idiot, Carver.
1. Goku can't breathe in space. There is no air in a black hole. Goku would suffocate.
2. Light itself can't escape a black hole. What makes you think that you could hear Goku talk in a black hole?
Goku was never in a black hole. Goku would immediately die in a black hole.
Or will you now bring up the plot once again?
Originally posted by carver9Question, can you post a scan of a high Herald generating enough force from the punch that the shockwaves destroys a mountain and shake the planet as a side effect. I'm asking you to show me shockwaves turning a mountain to dust.
I'll show you something better:
http://i.imgur.com/Tj7dmnm.jpg
That's Gladiator destroying an entire planet with a couple of punches.
Let me show you something else:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR5x4KxE2MA
That's Frieza destroying Earth. Not even under his own power, but rather by attacking the Earths core and setting off a chain reaction. The planetary destruction kills SSJ Gold Blue Vegeta in process.
You know, who doesn't care all too much about planetary explosions? High heralds in comics. I've shown you Gladiator. Here is Beta Ray Bill doing the same thing:
http://i.imgur.com/1CIPaGN.jpg
How about Thor doing the same thing? He has destroyed planets in the past as well, but you've asked for mountains being involved and I can provide you that as well:
http://i.imgur.com/1Sa3mSb.jpg
High heralds > Goku. Goku doesn't belong in the discussion of the top 10 physically strongest fictional characters. He probably doesn't even belong in the top 50.
also, enzeru... its no use, he asked SPECIFICALLY for mountain vaporizing planet shaking attacks. it doesnt matter if you post something orders of magnitude better, if its not SPECIFICALLY what he asked for he will use god tier mental gymnastics to either downplay or ask for something even more specific...
Originally posted by carver9
Ok, you all are obviously trolling. My answer to this thread stands. You all can add your character. I'm not adding pages of common sense to prove something against people that have no clue on what they are talking about.
Don't let low-level debaters go under your skin, Carver. XD
