Originally posted by carver9
It was said in a canon bio that Cell would have wiped the solar system clean with his blast.Nothing hinted at the Universe being destroyed? Are you trolling? We see suns and planets evaporating from far distances. The Universe was threatened during their scuffle.
@JL King...
So collateral damage is the way we debate? Frieza only using .025% of his power destroyed a planet bigger than earth with a finger. Are you saying the Kameha blast was weaker than that even though the blast didn't spread? Its 2018 and you all still debate collateral damage from beings who have complete control of their power. Does this apply to all characters or just DBZ? Example, Galactus exerts his energy like he has never done before and didn't destroy the room they were standing in...
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0953e52c8b4af17e1049d9cff3d8c13e-c
I can keep going with this but I'm hoping you're getting the point. Now again, does this apply only to DBZ or everyone?
Originally posted by carver9
@JL King...So collateral damage is the way we debate? Frieza only using .025% of his power destroyed a planet bigger than earth with a finger. Are you saying the Kameha blast was weaker than that even though the blast didn't spread? Its 2018 and you all still debate collateral damage from beings who have complete control of their power. Does this apply to all characters or just DBZ? Example, Galactus exerts his energy like he has never done before and didn't destroy the room they were standing in...
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0953e52c8b4af17e1049d9cff3d8c13e-c
I can keep going with this but I'm hoping you're getting the point. Now again, does this apply only to DBZ or everyone?
Dragon Ball characters are obviously weak against bricks. 👆
Originally posted by carver9It was said in a canon bio that Cell would have wiped the solar system clean with his blast.
Get the hell out of here, you fanboi.
Your solar system buster needed an entire minute to power up to a point, where he could destroy Earth. And then he died in process. Lucky for him he found out that he could regenerate from a single cell.
Broly is my favorite anime character. I grew up watching Dragonball and I like it as the next normal person, but let's be honest here... Someone like Superman would punch a hole through Brolys chest.
Broly doesn't have the durability and outside space cheese feats (destroying random ass planets) he doesn't have the damage output to put a high herald down. If Broly had actual power he would have destroyed Earth easily and immediately, while fighting the DBZ warriors during the second movie. But that's where a Dragonball fanboi like you comes in and starts talking about plot this and plot that.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Yeah. They say stratosphere but I mean look at how far they were up... it would have been funny to see them go to the moon and then still maintain Vegeta can't breath in spaceSomeone should send Toriyama a big old space battle and tell him how little backdrop they'd need. Toei would love that. Stormbreaker would be a good start.
Sure looked that way.
Didn't they outright say they can't breath in space, at a later story?
Originally posted by carver9
Why do I need to provide on panel proof when the bio clearly tells us enough?
I’ll allow you to use DBZ (not super) to show me any on panel proof of galaxy or solar system busting attacks
Even one of the strongest villains, kid buu was only going around the galaxy busting planets by planets.
Originally posted by Enzeru
That's not how space works, you math genius.
In space you can give an object a slight push and it will continue to float until it hits something. Strength behaves differently at that point.If Prime has the strength to move a planet out of its orbit, then nothing else is relevant really. At that point Prime was pretty much only flying at speeds faster than light and directing the planet. An example on Earth would be like bringing a big, heavy ball of steel in motion with strength and then just continuing to roll it down hill.
Swap that instance and you have what Hyperion did. Hyperions showing is more impressive, but even his showing is rather wonky, due to how physics work in space.
Yeah:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8YcvUXqRCk
Dragonball characters don't really have planetary level durability. And most of them can't even breathe in space. That's a clip of Vegeta dying from a planetary level explosion. Another character then reverts time and saves the Earth and Vegeta in process.
That's why I always say: Someone like Superman could solo the entire Dragonball universe, while holding back. Okay, maybe not that much, because Dragonball does have a couple of reality warping super-gods, but the regular warriors, you see duke it out all the time... All canon fodder for comic book high heralds.
Wow!
So you don’t know the definition of Net FORCE.
It’s the change in momentum over the change in time.
Objects of mass resists being accelerated. Inertia.
Stopping a moving object over a time yields the same force as accelerating it from rest to that same speed over the same amount of time.
Moving a planet from 0 to 100x light speed in a couple of seconds is astronomically more force then stopping a planet that’s moving 0.0008 of the speed of light over 10 seconds.
Originally posted by carver9
@H1...So where are you getting the FTL showing from?
So if you move a planet to another galaxy like one moves a chess piece then how is the planet not going ftl?
Also moving a planet under the speed of light would mean that Prime is immortal and has lived for billions of years.
Originally posted by xJLxKingAnd yet Master Roshi can destroy a moon. You ever wonder if those characters have enough control of their powers to not destroy everything around them?
Saiyans also can’t seem to destroy a town with a kamehameha despite being in SSJ3Power levels fluctuate way too much. Way too many hyperbolic statements that are contradicted by actions actually occurring
You're saying this on board that will still likely go nuts in a "can Superman destroy a planet" thread.
They don't have to destroy one in every attack.
Originally posted by KidStranglehold
And yet NO universe was destroyed... -__- Nothing was hinting that the universe was going to be destroyed beside vague statement.And please lets not get into Cell supposedly destroying a solar system when he has never done anything close to that power level. Saying they can't survive a planet exploding due to not being able to breath in space is a big reach. And if that is true it just proves why the DB franchise is inconsistent as ****. And shouldn't be compared to herald level beings who have way more hax.
There's also Whis stating Beerus originally thought it was only going to annihilate Earth and a few neighboring planets, but Beerus was wrong and it was going to destroy the world itself and Whis can't defend against a world destroying attack. Which we would assume wouldn't actually be speaking of a world since even Goku deflected one against Vegeta. And Frieza kicked one away against Vegeta. Especially the first part. But you know, I understand this will be a tough concept.
Either way, the ante was upped from the punches especially when Beerus had to use "100 percent" of his power to negate it.
And you expecting universes to be destroyed in a series specifically devoid of universes and without the plot devices of comics (which is ironic considering the series is named after wishing orbs), or else it doesn't count is asking a lot. We have statements however, and things leading up to those examples. Which is where we'll lead off into with Cell.
Cell's only ever destroyed King Kai's planet. That doesn't mean we ignore things like beings thousands of times less powerful destroying planets. It's really not that large of a leap to take. But I'll let Galan explain it.
Originally posted by Galan007
Cell's ability to destroy the solar system with his final Kamehameha was confirmed in an official bio which described the 'Grades' of Super Saiyan...Translation:
[b]Super Saiyan Grade Five (Super Saiyan 2)
"An aura with sparks like flashes of lightning and an upright, combative hairstyle are the distinguishing features of this, the strongest Saiyan warrior! One's personality also becomes aggressive; even the ordinarily gentle Gohan started to enjoy battle! Its power is enough to push back even Cell's energy bullet, which had enough force to blow away the Solar System!"...So his statement was a lot more than just an empty boast. [/B]
Because they literally can't breath in space. It's not a tough concept to grasp. Even a severely weakened Frieza who was cut in half and blasted by Goku who is possibly millions of times less powerful than Vegeta blue survived a planet exploding. Frieza was capable of annihilating planets yet he couldn't kill SS Goku. Beerus could destroy half a planet with a finger tap, yet he wasn't killing Goku with more. The power of a planet destroying power has largely been rendered insufficient. We assume he died from lack of oxygen because that's what happened.
I really don't want to get screens of a scene that I'm 98 percent sure says that a weakened Frieza survived but not a fp Vegeta because Frieza can survive in space.
Yes, why would characters that could destroy planets when they were millions of times weaker ever be compared to heralds? You realize the guy who has survived numerous planets being destroyed is weaker than Goku and Vegeta right?
And I'm not saying they can destroy millions of planets with one attack. I'm saying that they are millions of times stronger than characters who have destroyed a planet. A difference.
They've surpassed planet planet destroying far enough that we don't assume the planet destroying would kill them. Plus the universal statements, and it seems pretty obvious they operate above that level.
If they destroy a planet with a casual attack and only destroy a house with a full power attack, we'd assume the full power attack is more powerful, no? And that's how you have to look at DB. Unless we get specific statements, the attacks operate on the damage scope of a small land mass, maybe yard sized. Scope is meaningless in the series for 99 percent of the time... how unlike comics though
Oddly enough though, they are casually destroying an entire land mass of an upgraded form of something previously thought unbreakable in Z. Hell it even broke the Z Sword. So yeah. Though I'm sure this drives Galan up a wall
@JL King...
So you're asking me to show you the Z fighters destroying a solar system during a fight? I need you to THINK about what you are asking me. No villain minus Cell tried to destroy anything other than the planet, so I cant show you what youre asking for. I can show you that bio though,and, its canon. You cant argue against canon. Sorry.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
And yet Master Roshi can destroy a moon. You ever wonder if those characters have enough control of their powers to not destroy everything around them?You're saying this on board that will still likely go nuts in a "can Superman destroy a planet" thread.
They don't have to destroy one in every attack.
https://imgur.com/8uCRRB0
https://imgur.com/uKaTMwiThere's also Whis stating Beerus originally thought it was only going to annihilate Earth and a few neighboring planets, but Beerus was wrong and it was going to destroy the world itself and Whis can't defend against a world destroying attack. Which we would assume wouldn't actually be speaking of a world since even Goku deflected one against Vegeta. And Frieza kicked one away against Vegeta. Especially the first part. But you know, I understand this will be a tough concept.
Either way, the ante was upped from the punches especially when Beerus had to use "100 percent" of his power to negate it.And you expecting universes to be destroyed in a series specifically devoid of universes and without the plot devices of comics (which is ironic considering the series is named after wishing orbs), or else it doesn't count is asking a lot. We have statements however, and things leading up to those examples. Which is where we'll lead off into with Cell.
Cell's only ever destroyed King Kai's planet. That doesn't mean we ignore things like beings thousands of times less powerful destroying planets. It's really not that large of a leap to take. But I'll let Galan explain it.
Because they literally can't breath in space. It's not a tough concept to grasp. Even a severely weakened Frieza who was cut in half and blasted by Goku who is possibly millions of times less powerful than Vegeta blue survived a planet exploding. Frieza was capable of annihilating planets yet he couldn't kill SS Goku. Beerus could destroy half a planet with a finger tap, yet he wasn't killing Goku with more. The power of a planet destroying power has largely been rendered insufficient. We assume he died from lack of oxygen because that's what happened.
I really don't want to get screens of a scene that I'm 98 percent sure says that a weakened Frieza survived but not a fp Vegeta because Frieza can survive in space.Yes, why would characters that could destroy planets when they were millions of times weaker ever be compared to heralds? You realize the guy who has survived numerous planets being destroyed is weaker than Goku and Vegeta right?
Nobody can "breathe in space" there is no gaz ffs...