top 10 in terms of physical strength

Originally posted by One Big Mob
And yet Master Roshi can destroy a moon. You ever wonder if those characters have enough control of their powers to not destroy everything around them?

You're saying this on board that will still likely go nuts in a "can Superman destroy a planet" thread.

They don't have to destroy one in every attack.

https://imgur.com/8uCRRB0
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There's also Whis stating Beerus originally thought it was only going to annihilate Earth and a few neighboring planets, but Beerus was wrong and it was going to destroy the world itself and Whis can't defend against a world destroying attack. Which we would assume wouldn't actually be speaking of a world since even Goku deflected one against Vegeta. And Frieza kicked one away against Vegeta. Especially the first part. But you know, I understand this will be a tough concept.
Either way, the ante was upped from the punches especially when Beerus had to use "100 percent" of his power to negate it.

And you expecting universes to be destroyed in a series specifically devoid of universes and without the plot devices of comics (which is ironic considering the series is named after wishing orbs), or else it doesn't count is asking a lot. We have statements however, and things leading up to those examples. Which is where we'll lead off into with Cell.

Cell's only ever destroyed King Kai's planet. That doesn't mean we ignore things like beings thousands of times less powerful destroying planets. It's really not that large of a leap to take. But I'll let Galan explain it.

Because they literally can't breath in space. It's not a tough concept to grasp. Even a severely weakened Frieza who was cut in half and blasted by Goku who is possibly millions of times less powerful than Vegeta blue survived a planet exploding. Frieza was capable of annihilating planets yet he couldn't kill SS Goku. Beerus could destroy half a planet with a finger tap, yet he wasn't killing Goku with more. The power of a planet destroying power has largely been rendered insufficient. We assume he died from lack of oxygen because that's what happened.
I really don't want to get screens of a scene that I'm 98 percent sure says that a weakened Frieza survived but not a fp Vegeta because Frieza can survive in space.

Yes, why would characters that could destroy planets when they were millions of times weaker ever be compared to heralds? You realize the guy who has survived numerous planets being destroyed is weaker than Goku and Vegeta right?

Oh yeah, I'm in total agreement that collateral damage isn't the be all, end all. Did In Betweener and a fed Galactus even destroy the planet they were knocking each other into?

Otoh, power scaling is pretty difficult without really knowing what it means. And being much, much stronger then planet busting...?

Well, Silve Surfer created black holes, holding back. He's evolved an entire planet over a short time, and creation usually takes a lot more energy then destruction.

I bet he could waste a solar system or more, if he really wanted to.

Same with someone like Thor or Hulk.. They may not have many star system busting feats, but what they do have is no less impressive..

Originally posted by cdtm
Oh yeah, I'm in total agreement that collateral damage isn't the be all, end all. Did In Betweener and a fed Galactus even destroy the planet they were knocking each other into?

Otoh, power scaling is pretty difficult without really knowing what it means. And being much, much stronger then planet busting...?

Well, Silve Surfer created black holes, holding back. He's evolved an entire planet over a short time, and creation usually takes a lot more energy then destruction.

I bet he could waste a solar system or more, if he really wanted to.

Same with someone like Thor or Hulk.. They may not have many star system busting feats, but what they do have is no less impressive..

And whatever solar system busting means in raw power, that became the bare minimum of power. For a collateral damage fan like youŕ average comic fan, that's a pretty important distinction.

Collateral damage is good up to a point to show said scope. Beyond that it gets ridiculous to bring up. Especially when the beings are millions of times more powerful. Though it is important to point out when people are assuming that beings who can't breath in space died from said planet blowing up.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Being that much above planet busting means it's a non issue. It means that simply being planet busting in capabilities is meaningless. So much so that it'd be pointless to bring up. For example both Saiyan saga Vegeta and Blue2 Vegeta have only ever said to destroy a planet (well, not Blue2). The former took an attack directly capable of destroying a planet. The latter has only defeated someone capable of thumb flicking an attack through a planet destroyer.
With the disparity of power on display between the two, an attack simply capable at the bare minimum of destroying a planet should bounce off Blue2's eyelids. Yet an attack from Blue2 that only has the scope to destroy a planet would pack a hell of a lot more power.

And whatever solar system busting means in raw power, that became the bare minimum of power. For a collateral damage fan like youŕ average comic fan, that's a pretty important distinction.

Collateral damage is good up to a point to show said scope. Beyond that it gets ridiculous to bring up. Especially when the beings are millions of times more powerful. Though it is important to point out when people are assuming that beings who can't breath in space died from said planet blowing up.

Non issue how? In the sense that nickling and diming past a certain point becomes like measuring bullet time feats on CBR, where Cassandra Cain blitz's Shiva because one Matrix Stepped bullets and the other didn't?

Originally posted by cdtm
Non issue how? In the sense that nickling and diming past a certain point becomes like measuring bullet time feats on CBR, where Cassandra Cain blitz's Shiva because one Matrix Stepped bullets and the other didn't?

Prove that Thor, Superman, and Orion have planet busting strength. Prove that Darkseid can even destroy a city with a punch (pre DCNU Darkseid).
Prove that Orion have anything close to planet busting, hell, city busting strength. Do the same for Captain Marvel please. Also prove that Black Adam have anything on or greater than planet busting power. I'll wait.

Add Zod, Mongul and Doomsday to this list as well.

Originally posted by cdtm
Non issue how? In the sense that nickling and diming past a certain point becomes like measuring bullet time feats on CBR, where Cassandra Cain blitz's Shiva because one Matrix Stepped bullets and the other didn't?

I would like them to be able to breath in space however. A different change of scenery is always nice and it gets rid of pretending to care about destroying Earth and everyone around. They either need to start having snowfights or spacefights because they've done everything else

Originally posted by carver9
Prove that Thor, Superman, and Orion have planet busting strength. Prove that Darkseid can even destroy a city with a punch (pre DCNU Darkseid).
Prove that Orion have anything close to planet busting, hell, city busting strength. Do the same for Captain Marvel please. Also prove that Black Adam have anything on or greater than planet busting power. I'll wait.

Add Zod, Mongul and Doomsday to this list as well.

Originally posted by carver9
Also, Wolverine claws are unique. Wolverine claws have been described as being able to slice an atom in half.

Prove it.

Seems pretty obvious that Corver is thinking about Carvus Glaive
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11118/111184849/4831070-4823683-hulkproxima2.jpg

The closest I can think of is them speaking of Wolverine's skeleton being bonded on a molecular level, and the old forum myth (?) about Wolverine's claws being molecularly sharp

Wait a minute. Darksaint, did you really follow me here in regards to my Wolverine comment? Lol... I have major respect for you because that requires a lot of dedication. In regards to the scan you are asking for, I dont have it.

Originally posted by carver9
Wait a minute. Darksaint, did you really follow me here in regards to my Wolverine comment? Lol... I have major respect for you because that requires a lot of dedication. In regards to the scan you are asking for, I dont have it.

You made it up.

Just like you make up half of the stuff you post, if not more.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Because no one cares about the potency of a planet destroying attacks anymore nor should a planet blowing up murder these characters. Anyone that cared in the first place like Carver wants them to step it up. And anyone who doesn't give it too much thought just wants the attack to be strong enough to damage the character and kill Gohan 10 times over. They do a decent job of portraying the danger for me. Carver is going in a madhouse waiting for the next scope feat however.

I would like them to be able to breath in space however. A different change of scenery is always nice and it gets rid of pretending to care about destroying Earth and everyone around. They either need to start having snowfights or spacefights because they've done everything else

Or at least be able to hold their breath for awhile, like Byrne Superman did it.

I mean, even He-Man can hold his breath for most of an episode, and She-Ra climbed a rope into orbit. The Z crew would need decent lung capacity for those 15 minute screams.

Go away, cd. We're lecturing carver atm and you're interrupting.

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You can join 😄

Carver, it's time we talkee about your drinking.

You need to start doing it. A lot.

Originally posted by cdtm
Carver, it's time we talkee about your drinking.

You need to start doing it. A lot.

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And I think carver should start right away from methyl alcohol...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
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And I think carver should start right away from methyl alcohol...

If he'd just drink more, than maybe, just MAYBE, we.can.drink.less.

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I agree. There's a small chance it could help us...

Originally posted by carver9
@JL King...

So you're asking me to show you the Z fighters destroying a solar system during a fight? I need you to THINK about what you are asking me. No villain minus Cell tried to destroy anything other than the planet, so I cant show you what youre asking for. I can show you that bio though,and, its canon. You cant argue against canon. Sorry.

You seem to be very happy using bios or statements of characters despite the fact that we just don’t see this occurring anywhere. Imagine using that same logic to characters like Superman, SS, etc.

That’s your issue, you seem to apply a different logic and argument for a DBZ. We know these characters have been proven wrong. In fact, even the writer admitted things like power level are completely incorrect and useless. Furthermore, if we actually see the damage some of these attacks have caused, (not collatoral) but intended target, we see their damage. We have seen Goku in SSJ3 accidentally miss Buu and hit a city. We have seen that damage it has done; Goku even commented on it.

I’m not saying the Z fighters can’t destroy planets. I’m saying, they are limited to PLANETARY damage. “Kinda” similar to a blade; the radius of a cut doesn’t increase exponentially, but the intensity does. This is honestly the only logical exaplanation. Anything other than that and you’re completely out of your mind trying to argue for shit that hasn’t occurred over 20 years and 160+ characters

Originally posted by One Big Mob
And I'm not saying they can destroy millions of planets with one attack. I'm saying that they are millions of times stronger than characters who have destroyed a planet. A difference.

They've surpassed planet planet destroying far enough that we don't assume the planet destroying would kill them. Plus the universal statements, and it seems pretty obvious they operate above that level.

If they destroy a planet with a casual attack and only destroy a house with a full power attack, we'd assume the full power attack is more powerful, no? And that's how you have to look at DB. Unless we get specific statements, the attacks operate on the damage scope of a small land mass, maybe yard sized. Scope is meaningless in the series for 99 percent of the time... how unlike comics though

Oddly enough though, they are casually destroying an entire land mass of an upgraded form of something previously thought unbreakable in Z. Hell it even broke the Z Sword. So yeah. Though I'm sure this drives Galan up a wall

So here is the question because i kinda agree with what you’re saying here

Yes, obviously, the intensity of the attack has increased. They can destroy the planet with a full powered or half powered kamehameha. But this doesn’t make them galaxy busters. Isn’t the point of calling X a galaxy buster because he actually can do it?

Why should I ignore scope of damage and take statements as facts from unreliable sources/author? Especially when something is being contradict? Why can’t we apply this golden rule to normal comics?

Isn’t this about physical strength? I’m lost. How does energy blasts discussion have anything to do with physical strength? I admit I don’t watch DBZ.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You made it up.

Just like you make up half of the stuff you post, if not more.

Nope, not a makeup. This proves that I know more about Wolverine than you do. 🙂

Anyways, everything I say, I usually have scans for it but this time I dont and no, I'm not becoming a drunk. I love my liver.

H1, I am about to send you something and I would like to hear your opinion on it.