Yeah there were plot holes, that's the problem with these movies that do
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time travel. I was like hold on, Nebula just killed her past self how is she alive? Thanos from GOTG just died so he never got to do the finger snap. Loki escaped after the battle of NYC and never stood trial on Asgard?
This was movie was terrible and so jarring.
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The GIRRRLLLLL Power charge at the end literally took me out of the experience and had me throw up a little. CM just punking Thanos like that was infuiriating. Any sense of nuance was gone.Hulk never did anything worth a damn. They literally turned Thor into an incel: He's fat, drunk and plays fortnite.....making his character progression from Thor 1 through IW utterly useless.
Some things didn't even make sense. How is SW able to do so much to Thanos? How did Cap with Mjolnir do better than Thor with Mjolnir/Stormbreaker? The ending was shit.
So disappointed. Everyone loved Thor, he was the most popular character in the last few years with the direction he was going. I feel like a conspiracy nut but I legit think they short-changed him and Hulk for CM. And where did she disappear to for the entire movie? SMH. So jarring.
Infinity War was sooooo good. This was sooooo mediocre and shit. RIP MCU.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This was movie was terrible and so jarring.Spoiler:
The GIRRRLLLLL Power charge at the end literally took me out of the experience and had me throw up a little. CM just punking Thanos like that was infuiriating. Any sense of nuance was gone.Hulk never did anything worth a damn. They literally turned Thor into an incel: He's fat, drunk and plays fortnite.....making his character progression from Thor 1 through IW utterly useless.
Some things didn't even make sense. How is SW able to do so much to Thanos? How did Cap with Mjolnir do better than Thor with Mjolnir/Stormbreaker? The ending was shit.
So disappointed. Everyone loved Thor, he was the most popular character in the last few years with the direction he was going. I feel like a conspiracy nut but I legit think they short-changed him and Hulk for CM. And where did she disappear to for the entire movie? SMH. So jarring.
Infinity War was sooooo good. This was sooooo mediocre and shit. RIP MCU.
I loved IW. I hope this isn't true.
Watched this. Some initial thoughts...
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First off, I enjoyed it pretty thoroughly. That being said, it wasn't perfect by any means, and it did seem like some of the key players got nerfed solely to make way for the 'fem-movement'(referring primarily to Hulk and Thor.) Don't know how anyone could be surprised by that at this point, though. /shrugI thought the time-travel aspect was done pretty well, although it undoubtedly creates some paradoxes within the franchise, but that's a completely different topic.
The Ancient One's role was cool as well. Her knowledge of the cosmos(across all its aspects) seems far more extensive than anyones, really. I also like how she immediately gave up the time gem when she found out that Strange had done so in the future, solely because "he's meant to be the best of us." She has absolute trust in him.
Loved Stark in this. How easily he figured out time travel shows you how far beyond everyone else he is intellectually. I also liked the encounter with his father in the past, and his sendoff at the end. Very well done, and a tearjerker indeed. As mentioned, it was cool that the MCU to date began and ended with him at the helm.
Cap lifting Mjolnir, and all of the Avengers being summoned to the field to fight Thanos and his army gave me chills. Good shit. #AvengersAssemble
Cap choosing to stay back in time and live out his 'best years' with Peggy was another tearjerker, but he finally got that dance... Though I do wish he would have passed on the torch to Bucky instead of Sam, but w/e.
...And of course, if it wouldn't have been for Scott Lang, none of the shenanigans they pulled here would have even been possible. Most of the credit for saving the universe should go to him, imo.
Scarlet Witch's inextricable powerup was super odd and random. She goes from barely holding her own against Proxima and Corvus in IW, to ravaging Thanos himself here? Mmm, okay?
I will say that the fem-teamup/charge toward the end was easily the cringiest part of the film for me... But at least it was shortlived.
Captain Marvel did exactly what I expected her to here, and outpreformed all of the other heroes against Thanos. No surprise, as Kevin Feige has already stated that she is supposed to be the most powerful hero, by far.
My thoughts mirror Galan's for the most part, with a few exceptions.
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Although we know time-travel isn't actually a real thing, and there is no "right way" of doing it, it was still not explained very well in the movie. Luckily, they didn't spend too much time on it, and it was used as a vehicle for giving us some really great scenes, especially those in Avengers tower during the events of the first Avengers film. Also, if you don't like that they used time-travel... Did you not watch Infinity War? It was foreshadowed heavily.The Widow death scene was executed kind of poorly, imo. It lacked a kind of poignancy that Stark's scene also lacked, but to a larger extent. If Jeremy Renner wasn't so damned good, the scene would have been much worse, I think.
To all the people that don't like how Thor was portrayed? You brought this on yourselves if you celebrated Ragnarok. That movie started "funny Thor", and though I don't agree that he was made to look weak or anything (even fat and lazy, he was still more powerful than most), it's a pattern that's going to continue in to future movies, and to a larger extent.
Hulk still hasn't been "fixed", but he's getting his own show, and hopefully that will be a way for them to re-establish him as the force of nature they portrayed him as in the earlier movies. I will say this, though: That CGI was insanely good. Big, green Mark Ruffalo as Professor Hulk? Someone needs to buy those animators a drink.
The scene with the Ancient One, I really liked. Her realization when Banner tells her that Strange just gave up the stone was played brilliantly, and was a strong character moment which, incidentally, is what this movie does best.
All the best things about this movie are the character moments, and it's obviously the Russo's strength. Tony, Hawkeye, Scott Lang's frankly surprising huge role in the movie were all achieved incredibly well, but one stands far and above the rest: Steve Rogers.
I've said on more than one occasion that he's the best thing about the MCU; equaling or even surpassing RDJ at times with how good of a portrayal he's had by Chris Evans. And, being the fan of The First Avenger that I am, it was still fresh in my mind sitting down to watch this. It is the single-most perfect ending to Captain America's story that they could have done, and I think in years to come that people are going to, or at least they should, remember that it was Cap and Tony, not just Tony, that made the initial arc of the MCU as great as it was.
The only thing he didn't get to do, that I would have liked, was give Thanos his "as long as one man still stands" speech. If he'd done that just before the reinforcements turned up, it would have probably been my favourite MCU moment ever.
Speaking of which, that part where they all come through the portals? Brilliantly done, even more-so than Thor showing up in Wakanda in the previous movie. The entire battle scene with Thanos and his army is incredibly well-done, if a little dark cinematography wise.
The whole "girl charge" thing didn't bother me as much in the context of the movie. It was as subtle and as cringe-worthy as I've come to expect from anyone working for Disney, and it makes me believe that they don't really care about treating male and female characters the same. They're disingenuous, they always have been.
I do think they can do good things with Captain Marvel, though. I hope they do. Regardless of how much I might think Brie Larson doesn't give a good account of herself, it would be hypocritical to punish CM for that and not, say, Iron Man, given RDJ's history as a human being. They have work to do though, especially after dropping the ball with the likes of the Scarlet Witch.
X-Men is on the horizon, and for those that don't know it, X-Men has probably the best roster of women characters in all of comics, and an X-Men MCU movie has the potential to take what Wonder Woman did for female superheroes on screen and launch it to new heights... If it's done properly.
TLDR: The movie isn't perfect. It has plot holes. It doesn't work in a vacuum as a movie at all, but then again, it's not supposed to. It's the final issue in a comic book storyline that we've been reading for over a decade. Your enjoyment of it is going to depend on how much you care about certain characters, or the Avengers in general. I think in a lot of ways, Infinity War and Endgame have become the "Star Wars" for this generation, and when they reboot it in twenty-odd years, you'll have people who are teens now lamenting that the new ones aren't as good as the originals.
Originally posted by Estacado
The whole first hour of the movie is almost pointless...
I was left wondering whether that was actually a stroke of genius because most of the characters also think their lives are pointless at that stage and was it done that way to make the audience feel the same way as the survivors of the snap.
One thing that was left unanswered even by the ridiculously long ending was
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If Cap was returning the stones he would have had to have met Red Skull again which would have been an interesting meeting to show on screen. And at that meeting, if the price is a soul for a soul why didn't Cap trade the soul stone for Nat?
Not sure what "feminism" has to do with anything
Thor was immensely depressed after having to failed to kill Thanos, losing his family, and
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Banner and Tony both remark he's out of his prime/can't wield the IG
Bruce also was mainly used for
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Building the quantum machine, and had more of a tech role
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though I agree I wish he had his moment to shine against Thanos.
Also with regards to Wanda's feats she performs extremely powerfully when shes enraged. This was kind of established in AOU when she lost her brother and disintegrated those Ultron bots, not to mention her feats in IW lifting those tanks. She's very clearly a powerhouse in her own right and blaming feminism seems like a copout
As soon as I seen that part of the battle I knew butthurtery would ensue. I don't know why that's any different to
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Thor, Stark and Cap confronting Thanos
So is
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Captain Marvel's uber-dyke I wanna speak to your manager haircut. It hardly seems to matter that she's barely in it
But yes, it's quite clear Wanda's power increases with emotion. Her saying
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"you took everything from me" and Thanos replying "I don't even know who you are"
Originally posted by -Pr-
I think in a lot of ways, Infinity War and Endgame have become the "Star Wars" for this generation, and when they reboot it in twenty-odd years, you'll have people who are teens now lamenting that the new ones aren't as good as the originals.
But Star Wars was actually good at one point. Endgame is a mess and it brings down IW with it.
@Pr
Marvel is full of other huge events, no need to recycle the same ideas.
Not yet, anyway... comics eventually got to the point when they do nothing but recycle old stories, but Marvel Cinematic Universe - if planned right and Feige is a damn good planner - should be safe from that for a looong time.