Avengers: Endgame (2019)

Originally posted by Psychotron
But Star Wars was actually good at one point. Endgame is a mess and it brings down IW with it.

Can't say I agree at all. Even if you don't like the film, calling it a mess is pushing it, imo. Script, tone etc, might not be perfect, but it's not that bad either.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
@Pr

Marvel is full of other huge events, no need to recycle the same ideas.

Not yet, anyway... comics eventually got to the point when they do nothing but recycle old stories, but Marvel Cinematic Universe - if planned right and Feige is a damn good planner - should be safe from that for a looong time.

I assume you're referring to my comment about

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rebooting? I'm not talking about stories as much as I am characters. You can do stories without certain characters, sure, and I expect them to for a fair few years yet. In the end though, there's a reason some characters endure more than others.

I'm referring to the same part as Psychotron quoted.

80 years of comic history total. MCU is "just" 11 years old and hasn't used that much material.

Imo, it'd be like rebooting Jackson's Lord of the Rings. There's a reason why it hasn't happened.

Of course, I can see it getting spread like butter on too much bread (yeah, talking like Bilbo now), but Feige should be smarter than that.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I'm referring to the same part as Psychotron quoted.

80 years of comic history total. MCU is "just" 11 years old and hasn't used that much material.

Imo, it'd be like rebooting Jackson's Lord of the Rings. There's a reason why it hasn't happened.

Of course, I can see it getting spread like butter on too much bread (yeah, talking like Bilbo now), but Feige should be smarter than that.

I meant in like, 20 years or so. Not, like, 5. At the very least a soft reboot of sorts, where we get

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new actors playing Tony and Steve

I don't think that's out of the question.

Compared to IW this movie was weaksauce Imo...ermm

Originally posted by -Pr-
I meant in like, 20 years or so. Not, like, 5. At the very least a soft reboot of sorts, where we get

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new actors playing Tony and Steve

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I don't think that's out of the question.

I know that.

And I'm saying that Marvel Comics is full of other stuff.

MCU succeeded big time, because they experimented and introduced new characters on the big screen, to the much wider audience... they should never forget that.

Look at Feige now. He wants to patiently wait before using the X-Men in any way. That's playing it smart.

WB/DC would already make 5-6 x-reboots (including tv series, cartoon shows, animated and CGI movies, maybe an anime or two) and wonder why it's not working.

Look what they're doing with Joker, for example.

Originally posted by Estacado
Compared to IW this movie was weaksauce Imo...ermm

Honestly?

I feel the same, Taco.

Still enjoyed it to a meaningful extent, though... cannot say the same about a certain Star Wars movie that shall not be named.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This was movie was terrible and so jarring.

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The GIRRRLLLLL Power charge at the end literally took me out of the experience and had me throw up a little. CM just punking Thanos like that was infuiriating. Any sense of nuance was gone.

Hulk never did anything worth a damn. They literally turned Thor into an incel: He's fat, drunk and plays fortnite.....making his character progression from Thor 1 through IW utterly useless.

Some things didn't even make sense. How is SW able to do so much to Thanos? How did Cap with Mjolnir do better than Thor with Mjolnir/Stormbreaker? The ending was shit.

So disappointed. Everyone loved Thor, he was the most popular character in the last few years with the direction he was going. I feel like a conspiracy nut but I legit think they short-changed him and Hulk for CM. And where did she disappear to for the entire movie? SMH. So jarring.

Infinity War was sooooo good. This was sooooo mediocre and shit. RIP MCU.

Karma, my raging friend.

Karma 😎

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You ARE playing around.

Carthage spoiled arguably one of the best combat scenes and you didn't even give him a warning.

Love ya, Imp, but can't forgive you that one.

I must have missed that one. I honestly don’t recall.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Can't say I agree at all. Even if you don't like the film, calling it a mess is pushing it, imo. Script, tone etc, might not be perfect, but it's not that bad either.

It's an absolute mess, Pr. I mean, the plot is all over the place, there are plot holes everywhere, and I mean massive plot holes that really take you out of the movie, structure and pacing problems, and worst of all character problems. The only two characters that were treated well were Steve and Tony. The others are either a side note, or worse, completely disrespected like Thor and Hulk. And the part that gets me the most is that these two, who are traditionally the heavy hitters of the Avengers had to be jobbed out so that Marvel can push its gurl power nonsense.

Originally posted by Impediment
I must have missed that one. I honestly don’t recall.

Oh well, it's no use crying over spilt milk. He started using spoiler tags, so it shouldn't happen again. I should just get over it.

We're still lucky to have you as a sheriff here 👆

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I know that.

And I'm saying that Marvel Comics is full of other stuff.

MCU succeeded big time, because they experimented and introduced new characters on the big screen, to the much wider audience... they should never forget that.

Look at Feige now. He wants to patiently wait before using the X-Men in any way. That's playing it smart.

WB/DC would already make 5-6 x-reboots (including tv series, cartoon shows, animated and CGI movies, maybe an anime or two) and wonder why it's not working.

Full of stuff is not the same as full of stuff that Disney will think make enough money, though, which is my point. Just because you or I would be happy with Shang Chi 2: Electric Bugaloo, doesn't mean Disney would be.

Originally posted by Psychotron
It's an absolute mess, Pr. I mean, the plot is all over the place, there are plot holes everywhere, and I mean massive plot holes that really take you out of the movie, structure and pacing problems, and worst of all character problems. The only two characters that were treated well were Steve and Tony. The others are either a side note, or worse, completely disrespected like Thor and Hulk. And the part that gets me the most is that these two, who are traditionally the heavy hitters of the Avengers had to be jobbed out so that Marvel can push its gurl power nonsense.

Again, I can't say I completely agree. Bar the plot, anyway. That... They took some wild swings with their interpretation of how

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time-travel

Originally posted by -Pr-
Full of stuff is not the same as full of stuff that Disney will think make enough money, though, which is my point. Just because you or I would be happy with Shang Chi 2: Electric Bugaloo, doesn't mean Disney would be.

Disney trusts Feige and his way of doing things.

Funny you mention Shang-Chi --- he's getting a solo film next phase, right?

Does anyone else think that

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Happy will be banging Pepper really soon, assuming he already isn't...?

I am amazed how long the Superhero movie craze has lasted, but then westerns lasted almost 40 years in high popularity.

I still think we need the edgier plots, I would love Snyder to do Miracleman as he did Watchmen for instance.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Disney trusts Feige and his way of doing things.

Funny you mention Shang-Chi --- he's getting a solo film next phase, right?

For now, sure. Even the next Avengers movie, if there is one, is going to be an interesting experiment given how different it's going to have to be.

That's the word, yeah. Him, Eternals, Black Widow, Spider-Man 2, Panther 2 and Strange 2 are the ones I read were next up.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Does anyone else think that

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Happy will be banging Pepper really soon, assuming he already isn't...?

😂

Originally posted by Putinbot1
I am amazed how long the Superhero movie craze has lasted, but then westerns lasted almost 40 years in high popularity.

I still think we need the edgier plots, I would love Snyder to do Miracleman as he did Watchmen for instance.

Variety is the spice of life. We need more Shazams, etc.

Hard pass on Snyder doing anything again

Originally posted by -Pr-

😂

Hey, that's what happened in 616.

Originally posted by -Pr-
For now, sure. Even the next Avengers movie, if there is one, is going to be an interesting experiment given how different it's going to have to be.

That's the word, yeah. Him, Eternals, Black Widow, Spider-Man 2, Panther 2 and Strange 2 are the ones I read were next up.

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Guess it's safe to assume Black Widow will be happening in the past, probably pre-Avengers 1...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

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Guess it's safe to assume Black Widow will be happening in the past, probably pre-Avengers 1...

lol yeah, I had the same thought. I'm guessing co-starring Fury and Hawkeye if they can get Renner to agree.