Avengers: Endgame (2019)

@Galan

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I think it honestly wouldn't make a difference. See, the Decimation was pulling a 50-50 lottery on the whole life in the universe. He didn't kill half, he pulled a lottery on all of them. In that case, the strain is probably the same, it's still maintaining a whole-life-scale influence, imo.

Originally posted by Galan007
I wonder if Thanos

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would have even been able to survive destroying the ENTIRE universe, and recreating a new one in his own image, given the immense toll much smaller uses of the complete Gauntlet seemed to take..?

Got me wondering, too.

I enjoyed it but part of me feels let down. I thought Infinity War was better. There definitely were some really great parts and emotional moments but just felt like it didnt flow.

Originally posted by WolvesofBabylon
I enjoyed it but part of me feels let down. I thought Infinity War was better. There definitely were some really great parts and emotional moments but just felt like it didnt flow.

This.

100% agreed.

Originally posted by gold slorg
@Galan

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I think it honestly wouldn't make a difference. See, the Decimation was pulling a 50-50 lottery on the whole life in the universe. He didn't kill half, he pulled a lottery on all of them. In that case, the strain is probably the same, it's still maintaining a whole-life-scale influence, imo.

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Thanos said he was going to do more than just wipe-out all sentient life in the universe. His exact statement was: "I'm going to shred this universe down to its last atom, and then, with the stones you've collected for me, create a new one, teaming with life..."

So Thanos is saying that he's going to destroy absolutely EVERYTHING in the existing universe, and then recreate an entirely new universe in his own image from scratch. That is so far beyond his "IW-snap" in terms of scope/scale that it got me wondering if he could have even survived the backlash of doing something like that... /shrug

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Maybe he would take his sweet time doing that? Allowing the gauntlet to recharge properly and having some rest in between? Just guessing.

Yeah, I guess that's a possibility, though

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it didn't seem like Thanos had the mindset of trying to do that kind of thing in stages, lol.

I suppose it's also possible that his newfound resolve/resolution may have allowed him to use the Gauntlet in such an uber capacity..?

my question was that

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if he was worried about ppl remembering, then why not just wipe everyone's memories (of those who died)? Seems easier than wiping everything out and starting from scratch

Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, I guess that's a possibility, though

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it didn't seem like Thanos had the mindset of trying to do that kind of thing in stages, lol.

I suppose it's also possible that his newfound resolve/resolution may have allowed him to use the Gauntlet in such an uber capacity..?

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I doubt resolve has anything to do with it. Hulk said the gauntlet gave off radiation when using it and that is what ****ed the users up. Anyway, it wasn't killing half of all life that ended up scarring Thanos but destroying the stones. Which is odd considering Wanda destroyed the mind stone easy enough in IW so I don't see why that would take more energy. Frankly, I hated the whole concept. I wasn't a fan of how they used the IG in these films and if the gauntlet gives you vast power, why can't you use it to protect yourself? The whole thing was silly and contrived.

Originally posted by ares834

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I doubt resolve has anything to do with it. Hulk said the gauntlet gave off radiation when using it and that is what ****ed the users up. Anyway, it wasn't killing half of all life that ended up scarring Thanos but destroying the stones. Which is odd considering Wanda destroyed the mind stone easy enough in IW so I don't see why that would take more energy. Frankly, I hated the whole concept. I wasn't a fan of how they used the IG in these films and if the gauntlet gives you vast power, why can't you use it to protect yourself? The whole thing was silly and contrived.

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I mean, the user(s) still experienced severe backlash whenever they used the gauntlet. Just seems like using it to THAT extent, and destroying/recreating the universe itself, would have given Thanos one HELL of a backlash. Maybe he would have survived it, maybe he wouldn't have... Just got me wondering. /shrug

As for the gems' portrayal in general: I agree completely. In the comics, the infinity gems were each totally indestructible, and even with a complete IG, the gems simply wouldn't allow you to destroy them(Reed Richards once tried, and failed, to do so.) Their own sentience superseded the user's.

I also wish they would have explained things a bit more regarding the IG-wielders having to 'adapt' to its power. Here again, in the comics it was explained that an IG-wielder doesn't just put on the god glove and instantly become Supreme Being-level. It takes all wielders some degree of time to adjust to their newfound omnipotence before they become adept in its usage -- it's not easy to stop thinking like a mortal, and start thinking like God. Adding something like that to the film's plotline could have easily explained why Thanos' uses of the stones wasn't really that stellar(relative to what he could have done, at least), and also why he experienced the backlash in the first place.

So I just got back from this and have to say 75% of it was boring but the other 25% is really good.

Infinity War was much better imo.

Originally posted by Galan007
I wonder if Thanos

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would have even been able to survive destroying the ENTIRE universe, and recreating a new one in his own image, given the immense toll much smaller uses of the complete Gauntlet seemed to take..?

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He was able to wipe out half the universe, and destroy the stones themselves. I think he could do it.
Also, the scale itself may not matter, just how many times you use it.

Also, this was better than IW and any opinion that's different from mine is wrong and stupid.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You're just being ridiculous now.

But there was so much unnecessary and cringeworthy shit in this movie, like

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Hawkeye hunting yakuza in Tokyo with a katana (complete with edgy anime dialogue)

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Thor making a kid playing Fortnight cry by threatening him over the mic.

And what's with the ****ing

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Soul Stone? Hawkeye didn't sacrifice Black Widow, Black Widow sacrificed herself. How did they know that it was going to work?As the rules were specified to them, that wouldn't necessarily have worked.

The only thing that was redeemable was

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the fight scenes with Thanos.

Originally posted by WolvesofBabylon
I enjoyed it but part of me feels let down. I thought Infinity War was better. There definitely were some really great parts and emotional moments but just felt like it didnt flow.

Yeah same. But I also think our expectations were probably too high.

This is the Russos 4th Marvel movie and 3rd Marvel event film, and 2nd Avengers film. They have given us some absolute gems, but I think they should move on now.

In terms of story

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I will admit that there were parts that made me have to aggressively switch off my brain so as to not take my immersion away. Greatest of it was the fact that Steve was able to arrive outside of the time machine as an old man w/c completely (unless someone can explain it to me?) undermined the entire science behind the movie.

I mean it would have made sense if Steve used the time/space gem to send a msg via the time machine and then disappear completely to reinforce the science. He'd start to fade in front of them and he'd go "I'm not supposed to exist here remember? Just a msg from the past I wanted to send. Had to borrow these from an old friend (shows the gem)" then fades away. I dunno, that's how I would do it anyway.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yeah same. But I also think our expectations were probably too high.

Originally posted by Astner
No. It's reasonable to expect that the last movie of an arc should be better than the build-up movie.

The main reason I think the movie is worse is because in Infinity War

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we got to follow Thanos.

I think Infinity War has a much better rewatch factor than Endgame. All four of the people I went with said the same thing. That's not taking anything away from Endgame just that we liked Infinity War better, a lot better.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yeah same. But I also think our expectations were probably too high.

This is the Russos 4th Marvel movie and 3rd Marvel event film, and 2nd Avengers film. They have given us some absolute gems, but I think they should move on now.

Well, they have no plans to do future MCU movies. However, they are going to do MGM classics, such as the Thomas Crown Affair.

Russo Brothers to Oversee Remakes of MGM Classics including ‘The Thomas Crown Affair’