Originally posted by Baziemarc123
nice, so pretty much scales at solar system level?
I mean Orion has destroyed an entire solar system with just Shockwave of his attacks and he couldn't handle just one titan imprisoned in the source wall.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Much higher. Yuga Khan who could destroy planets across galaxy like nothing couldn't even scratch a proxy source wall.I mean Orion has destroyed an entire solar system with just Shockwave of his attacks and he couldn't handle just one titan imprisoned in the source wall.
I don't recall Yuga doing so, I know he's supposedly stronger than Darkseid but have less appearances.
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
I don't recall Yuga doing so, I know he's supposedly stronger than Darkseid but have less appearances.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=16241667
Originally posted by KidStranglehold
Except the writer confirmed that Surfer wanted to hear what he had to say.
And Prime losing to Kon was because Prime was having an identity crisis since he believed he was the true Superboy. That was the one of the main plot of the Crisis story.
What happened when Prime got serious?
Prime losing to the Titans was because the Post Crisis era were ending, and the New 52 beginning. DC writers were told to wrap up their stories as fast as possible.
Originally posted by KidStranglehold
Except Surfer doesn't need strength to even win and is way more hax than SBP.
Overwanked hax he doesn't use in 99,9999 % of the fights...
Surfer's hax on the battle forums is as faulty as BattleForums Flashs, "hur dur one billionz amps before the other character can react."
Surfer is well beyond Superman so Superboy-Prime being stronger than Superman is moot.
That's why he has issues against Thor and characters on the same ground. 👆
But also ABC logic.
I(m not using ABC logic, I'm just saying that Superboy is far stronger than Surfer's usual opponents and that makes a big difference.
No he hasn't.
Yes he has.
Thor almost put the shit out of Surfer two times.
What is this suppose to mean? SS doesn't use magic nor does he even need it to be SBP. He has cosmic awareness among many other hax abilities.
I was comparing the fight between Superman and Thor, to the fight between Silver Surfer and Thor.
That's legitimate.
SBP was getting spanked by Superman, Supergirl and Powergirl.
He still stronger than Superman physically.
If he was a TRUE trans character he would have demolished them.
I've never made any assumptions about power-levels which doesn't matter either ways.
I already seen many of Surfer's and Thor's fights. Many Thor fans like to pretend Surfer never held back. I read the link you posted and the author doesn't even address that when the scans he posted clearly indicate that. Not only that he misses many contexts within there fight. He posts scans from THE MIGHTY THOR ANNUAL #1 (2012) and fails to address Surfer not even wanting to fight but Thor himself bleeding while fighting Surfer and Surfer taking all his hits. Meanwhile we already seen Surfer demolish BRB while holding back.
There is no proof in the comics that either hold back against each other.
Thor is supposed to use only one third of his striking power, according to some comics, when he is fighting mortals, aka people not being part of a Pantheon.
I don't think that's true when both characters struggle that much.
Anyways, I haven't even gotten into Surfers high end fights and why he wins. Heck many of SBP high end feats have contexts behind it like that silly reality punch.
I'm not using that argument so I don't see why you are feeling to talk about it.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yuga did it here. It was after draining several planets across galaxy.http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=16241667
Any reason why you think Surfer blasts won't be *effective* against Superman?
Originally posted by KidStrangleholdHis solar energy suit was destroyed and he was largely drained of solar energy at the time.
Where was it stated that he was weakened?
Yet despite that, SBP's heat vision was able to cut through Superman like a knife through butter.
https://i.imgur.com/XiSXf76.png
Honestly a really impressive feat considering how weakened he was.
And what happens when SBP gets a tiny bit of contact with some sunlight?
https://i.imgur.com/wbZLgGy.png
He overpowers a bunch of heroes dogpiling him, which consists of some heavy hitters like the three Kryptonians you mentioned, Wonder Woman, Alan Scott, Martian Manhunter (okay maybe not that last one). Just tosses them aside without any effort.
I don't think you're well-acquainted enough with the comics SBP has appeared in to be holding such strong stances towards him.
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Is there a possibility Surfer could manipulate kryptonite due to his cosmic awareness?I mean it can't be that hard to get it considering Lex done so
I believe so, but it's always argued that Superman can resist whatever is thrown at him even though he has been hurt and effected on panel plenty of times. It gets to the point that you have to hunt for all of the times that he's gotten hurt in order for the people that can't recall these times will remember.
Anyway. just say that SBP stomps and everything will smooth itself out. Because for one, these two are on completely different levels of power, and two, the Surfer typically fights with his chin.
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Is there a possibility Surfer could manipulate kryptonite due to his cosmic awareness?I mean it can't be that hard to get it considering Lex done so
Thishas been discussed in too many SS topics
SS just doesn’t fight like that. Not to mention, kryptonite from earth Prime doesn’t exist
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Is there a possibility Surfer could manipulate kryptonite due to his cosmic awareness?I mean it can't be that hard to get it considering Lex done so
You need Kryptonite specific to his universe. Simply knowing the chemical formula for it doesn't work.
And all of his K-nite was destroyed. Surfer would need to time travel back to Earth Prime's history, to THAT Krypton, before it exploded and learn how ti make K-nite, then use it.
Which...Surfer has never shown to do lol.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Firestorm created kryptoniteYou need Kryptonite specific to his universe. Simply knowing the chemical formula for it doesn't work.
And all of his K-nite was destroyed. Surfer would need to time travel back to Earth Prime's history, to THAT Krypton, before it exploded and learn how ti make K-nite, then use it.
Which...Surfer has never shown to do lol.
Surfer dies after one punch. Easily. and lol at anyone using titans against SBP. SBP has a psychological block when it comes to Kon-El and Bart. like all Kryptonians inclusing Silver Age level ones, his stats decrease when he is under sufficient subconscious fear-- the basis of Bart and Kon being used against him in LO3W.. No, what I said is not up for dispute.
