Dr. Manhattan vs Thanos

So who exactly has Manhattan exploded to instantly give him the win against Thanos?

Some normal humans? Tanks?

You know what else can destroy normal humans to an even greater extent than Manhattan can? The Power Gem. When the Power Gem kills someone, they are atomized with nothing left over (as shown when the Collector's ***** grabbed it it also destroyed the entire building). Manhattan leaves a heap of gore around, so the destruction is obviously not as total.

Thanos can touch the Power Stone without any problem at all.

But Manhattan is going to one-shot him?

At worst this is a stalemate. At best, Thanos might be able to use the Soul Stone or Mind Stone to put the Doc down.

Originally posted by ares834
Sure. But you don't need universal power to kill Thanos either.

Hard call here. Manhattans power isn't based of a persons biology, its based on the intrinsic field that holds those atoms together. Regardless of a person biology, he can affect anything in that field as well as the quantum field

He could as easily do this to Superman or Thanos

Serious question, because I haven't seen the film in quite a while: what are you basing that on Supra? Is it the comic?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Nope at 3:24-

https://youtu.be/sNXohNU3tWo

Manhattan is quicker to the draw.

Drax was running at Thanos. He didnt outdraw him.

https://youtu.be/mY3cHGDoqnw

Thanos has to clench his fist, raise his hand and shoot. Manhattan only has to raise his hand (if that), and he has far superior reflexes, plus sees the future.

Manhattans faster to the draw.

Manhattan wins.

In one instance he destroys a tank.

😂

In another he kills some low level henchmen before they can draw. 😂 He gestures there too.

Thanos takes out Drax while he handles Gamora, etc.

5 seconds to work a tank while gesturing just like Thanos is pitiful even for you.

Only you would brag about owning low level thugs. Thanos wins. Easily. One blast from the reality stone.

His statements and feats in the movie.

He was changing reality at one point by turning mars dirt into the glass, and taking metal on earth and turning into other materials when he was building that machine. That takes real reality warping and manipulation.

He also stated he has power at the subatomic level, so regardless if you are a Kryptonian or mutant like Thanos, you have atoms, though they might be denser, doesn't mean he would not be able to control them. It would be no difference to him to explode a tank or a Kryptonian because he's not hitting their strong external biology, he's manipulating it subatomically.

The other part that is vexing about him, is he doesn't need a body, doesn't have a soul, his existence can be anywhere or everywhere or nowhere and still maintain his quantum consciousness without a vessel.

When he pulled himself together out of nothing he was literally figuring out how just withing space-time itself without a body, so that means he was able to think, process complex impossible feats without actually being present, that's the very definition of a god. To not exist but still exist and have will and power to do things without being preset.

Not picking a winner here, just trying to compile a list of advantages/disadvantages each character has over the other. Correct me if I’m wrong as I am basing this on my opinions:

Thanos:
Superior overall scale in “power feats”. Sub-universal vs DM who seems to be sub-continental AT BEST (as he feared nuclear apocalypse).
Superior overall versatility (not bound by physical laws, unlike DM, who seems to still be bound by it as proven by his inability to see past tachyons that Ozy came up with, can manipulate/control reality at a higher level, can manipulate/control/defend against non-physical concepts like mind/soul/magic)
Superior ability to defend, can arguably defend against DM’s explosion (or whatever that SPLAT attack is) attack (has blocked banishment into the mirror dimension, has defended against anything from explosions, energy blasts and giant falling pieces of debris).
Has attacks that DM, arguably, cannot defend against (mind attacks, bending reality to negate DM’s abilities, reversing time and turning DM back to human).

Doctor Manhattan
Greater implied perceptions (time-vision, able to percieve events so small and fast that they can hardly be said to have occured at all).
Able to split/reassemble and is not bound by a physical body (unlike Thanos where decaptitaion is implied to still be able to defeat him).

That’s all I can think of so far, feel free to add to the list.

If the argument is ‘Thanos is made of too tough material/biology to destroy’, that’s irrelevant as Manhattan has the ability to transmute one material into a completely different one. As stated by The Comedian “turn the bullets into steam if you wanted” (maybe not verbatim), so Manhattan need only transmute Thanos into something less durable and then explode that. Or he could turn the gauntlet into farts, or teleport Thanos into the sun leaving the gauntlet behind.

Though I do highly question if Thanos in his natural state is too durable, while he’s insanely tough, Ironman was able to cut him, so Superman’s already ahead of Thanos there and I see no reason why Manhattan couldn’t affect Superman on a cellular level as well.

I think it’s a bit of a no-limits fallacy to assume that DM can simply matter manipulate objects regardless of durability.

We’re also talking about Thanos, who has matter/reality control of his own and at a much higher level/control than DM (due to the gems).

Plus Thanos took on Dr Strange who has shown matter/reality manipulation of his own (being able to turn a black hole into butterflies for example) and yet could do nothing of the sort to Thanos/IG.

Movie Manhattan just blows up Stormbreaker because it's made up of atoms.
That Celestial and Ego too. Asgard Surtur.

Originally posted by quanchi112
2:41-2:46 oh the ****ing glorious irony. Manhattan takes multiple seconds to destroy the tank and move it by clenching his fist and gesturing. In both cases he is gesturing. 😂 😂 😂

In one instance he destroys a tank.

😂

In another he kills some low level henchmen before they can draw. 😂 He gestures there too.

Thanos takes out Drax while he handles Gamora, etc.

5 seconds to work a tank while gesturing just like Thanos is pitiful even for you.

Only you would brag about owning low level thugs. Thanos wins. Easily. One blast from the reality stone.

So your response is to lowball? Cool.

Concession accepted. I showed the feat showing Manhattan Can outdraw multiple men firing bullets. Your example of Thanos shooting Drax running at him wasnt anywhere near as impressive.

Manhattan has exceptional reflexes and can see the future. He outdraws Thanos.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
I think it’s a bit of a no-limits fallacy to assume that DM can simply matter manipulate objects regardless of durability.

We’re also talking about Thanos, who has matter/reality control of his own and at a much higher level/control than DM (due to the gems).

Plus Thanos took on Dr Strange who has shown matter/reality manipulation of his own (being able to turn a black hole into butterflies for example) and yet could do nothing of the sort to Thanos/IG.

Interesting but do we know the most powerful being Thanos made vanish? Because the no limits fallacy could set in on his end as well.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
So your response is to lowball? Cool.

Concession accepted. I showed the feat showing Manhattan Can outdraw multiple men firing bullets. Your example of Thanos shooting Drax running at him wasnt anywhere near as impressive.

Manhattan has exceptional reflexes and can see the future. He outdraws Thanos.

Thanos did so while holding Gamora and gauging the field. We see him fight blind against Spidermsn, Drax, and Stephen.

Manhattan cannot see the future since he was taken off guard at the end. Thanos can alter the future unlike Manhattan and he is not worried about nuclear fall out like the weakling Manhattan. Watch the films and try being honest to yourself. Thanos decimates him.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
I think it’s a bit of a no-limits fallacy to assume that DM can simply matter manipulate objects regardless of durability.

We’re also talking about Thanos, who has matter/reality control of his own and at a much higher level/control than DM (due to the gems).

Plus Thanos took on Dr Strange who has shown matter/reality manipulation of his own (being able to turn a black hole into butterflies for example) and yet could do nothing of the sort to Thanos/IG.

Thanos wins. Deep down they know it.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Interesting but do we know the most powerful being Thanos made vanish? Because the no limits fallacy could set in on his end as well.

The conditions of the snap as told by the story was very well defined. Half the universe chosen at random and fairly. Don’t know how powerful the beings he made dissappear are, really, if we go with how durable, I would say it dusted the vibranium BP armor just as easily as it did anything. For it to accomplish (and according to the story, it did) what it was trying to do, it would have to wipe Asgardians, Ice Giants, Kree and Skrull and whatever race Drax is. It dusted Groot whose wood compositionw was strong enough to hold a red hot Storm breaker. It took out Strange (for all his escoteric power, he could do nothing against the snap, well at least as far as we know).

All this is irrlevant though, as I feel that the snap will not be what Thanos would be doing to Manhattan as he has better options and I never made an argument that he would. So I’m not sure why you’d ask me about it. 😛

Anyway, I’m not really making my choice on who wins yet til I see more arguments.

^ At Nib: I know you you havent picked a side. I was just playing Devils advocate to your Devils advocate 😛

So just like Manhattan hasnt disintegrated anyone on Thanos level of durability, neither had Thanos reality warped or vanished/disintegrated a non-physical being of tremendous power like Manhattan.

Clearly the Snap worked on a much larger scale than anything Manhattan has done, but not sure how relevant that is to 1 v 1 combat when concerning 2 arguably Celestial level beings.

Originally posted by quanchi112
my response is to show he needed to gesture as well. You clearly see it in the clip. Your bias is appalling, facts matter. He was already moving to gesture before they pulled out their guns. Ffs be honest. Only you would say this guy beats the most powerful character of Infinity War. Your MCU lack of faith is noted.

I never suggested he doesnt need to make a gesture, going by feats. Although its implied he can just think it.

Hence why we are arguing who would beat who to the draw. Try to keep up.

He was already moving before they shot the guns? Hmm its almost as if he can see the future 😬

Ah the Crux of the matter. Which is that you can not be objective concerning the MCU.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
I never suggested he doesnt need to make a gesture, going by feats. Although its implied he can just think it.

Hence why we are arguing who would beat who to the draw. Try to keep up.

He was already moving before they shot the guns? Hmm its almost as if he can see the future 😬

Ah the Crux of the matter. Which is that you can not be objective concerning the MCU.

You concede the point. Wonderful, I am gooooood.

Did he see Ozys actions before the reveal? Hmmmmmmm. I guess killing random punks without any proof he already reacted did so temporal knowledge.

You were dishonest here Nib called out the no limits nonsense. Killing humans ffs is not the same as the powerhouses that reside in the MCU.

Thanos has better feats, more polished fighter, better abilities, and has squared off against far better opponents. Back your anti MCU guy because you have Thanos envy. Still salty he beat Thor, twice.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ At Nib: I know you you havent picked a side. I was just playing Devils advocate to your Devils advocate 😛

So just like Manhattan hasnt disintegrated anyone on Thanos level of durability, neither had Thanos reality warped or vanished/disintegrated a non-physical being of tremendous power like Manhattan.

Clearly the Snap worked on a much larger scale than anything Manhattan has done, but not sure how relevant that is to 1 v 1 combat when concerning 2 arguably Celestial level beings.

Like I said, I feel that the snap is an irrelevant line of argument here as there are other avenues open to Thanos that I feel COULD work vs DM. Though, I agree that there is no 100% certainty to these:

DM has shown that he is still bound by physical laws regardless of how much control he has on physical objects. If the laws of reality are changed (such as when reality is warped), he will also fall victim to it.

It was made clear by the movie that no matter how powerful DM was, his mind still had very human characteristics (and thus something Ozy can manipulate). A mind gem attack should work, similar to how Vision managed to lock Ultron’s mind to one body or when Loki used it to mind control people.

Finally, simply reversing time to return DM to his human self would also be a viable tactic IMO.

Of course not saying that this is how it will go down.

Nib is on team