Originally posted by RobtardThen, perhaps you could find it for me? Because I don't take hearsay as evidence. I'm not doubting you, as that would be presumptuous of me, but I would like to see it for myself. Mainly because your interpretation of Peterson's literal words is often very different to mine (and such is life), so I'd like to see it from my own (mostly open to reason) perspective.
I've not looked, I saw the whole show on cable, my wife is a fan of Maher'sWhy does Peterson seemingly think people need to special-worry over Trump supporters though and their feelings?
edit: You added. Our POTUS is the most divisive and by extension the people who support that, he ran his campaign on a "US Vs Them" foundation and he's not stopped. Shortly after winning he made a "my enemies" comment in regards to people who didn't vote/support him.
He worries because your culture really is reaching a breaking point, or so it seems to many people. Your culture is the most frequently derided in popular culture (something I feel is somewhat unfair; I'm a huge fan of American culture and everything it has brought to the world stage) and all of the worst aspects are coming to the fore right now, at least in the mainstream media. You can see how divided you are right now, right?
Originally posted by SurturThe stuff Rob mentioned about Peterson attacking her motherhood/womanhood/life doesn't happen anywhere, though. I'm interested in seeing this particular moment, but I haven't seen it yet.
Starts around 1:45, JP explains himself:
Originally posted by Robtard
Scribs posted that already
The only other thing I can find:
If I find the whole segment, I'll PM you the link.
Meh, Trump will come and go, this isn't the end times. Will he do some damage, sure. But life will go on. My real concern is the lowering of the bar for the office of the POTUS in the long term. But again, it will likely be set high again once Trump is out, at least in time.
Originally posted by Scribble
The stuff Rob mentioned about Peterson attacking her motherhood/womanhood/life doesn't happen anywhere, though. I'm interested in seeing this particular moment, but I haven't seen it yet.
He did his speech about what you need to do as a parent while talking at her.
One thing I find truly odd is his don't "dislike your children" point. It's alien to me. I've never disliked my children, sure they've frustrated me and they've angered me as children do with parents. But dislike? Nope.
Originally posted by Robtard
He did his speech about what you need to do as a parent while talking at her.One thing I find truly odd is his don't "dislike your children" point. It's alien to me. I've never disliked my children, sure they've frustrated me and they've angered me as children do with parents. But dislike? Nope.
That it is alien to you is the sign of a good father. Unfortunately not everyone has that. Some parents do end up resenting/disliking their children.
Originally posted by Scribble
You should worry, because your politics is getting dangerously divisive, from the perspective of an outsider. Similar things are happening in this country, but you guys are riding a real wave of high-horse-ism at the moment, and it's starting to become less hysterical than just pure hysteria. I can see why Peterson is worried.
Like when he was worried about C-16? Explain to me why you can see how "Peterson is worried." About anything. We can go point-by-point or issue-by-issue.
And at the end of the day, he's been protested at universities and had discussions shut down by radicalised far-left students, much like other moderates such as Dave Rubin or slightly less moderates such as Ben Shapiro. These people, and whatever ****ed agenda it is that they're enthralled by, clearly see him as a threat.
Based on this post and others I've seen by you and other members on this board, I want to make something clear...
The left isn't more dangerous and I hate this shitty perspective SO much. Also, don't tell me about "radicalized" students shutting people down. They're students. Students have been radicals since the beginning of goddamn time. Do you know anything about the 1960's in America?
"Moderates" like Dave Rubin and "slightly less moderates" such as Shapiro? Like, this is all a big troll, right?
Is it because Rubin told you a bunch of times he's really a "liberal" or "left-leaning" but gives consistent platforms to right-leaning extremists and softballs them for the whole interview? Ah yes, Rubin the "enlightened centrist."
Like, some of the most watched conservative media is Fox News, Breitbart, the Daily Caller, The Daily Wire, fucking InfoWars. Fucking InfoWars! We are talking about a growing political ideology that supports ethnostates, considers race realism scientifically valid, thinks there's two genders, thinks that watching YouTube videos of riots or anecdotes is "data", thinks Tommy Robinson is unfairly jailed, think Islam is a threat to the west (even more than Christianity), and more.
The right, in North America and Europe, is BAR-NONE the most dangerous, worrisome, threatening, and poisonous partisan affiliation you could ever hope to side with, agree with, or support. Centrists enable them (and often share many anti-science, irrational, hateful, and non-factual perspectives) and useful idiots propagate their horrendously asinine platforms and perspectives.
As a centrist, you have the same loss of focus as every other "enlightened centrists" in that you'll yammer on about how civil discourse is dead and perhaps complain about the left's "name-calling" which distracts from all sorts of genuine threats to free speech, the economy, forward movement, and more. Trump running one of the most influential, powerful, and far-reaching governments on this planet has implications. I know you guys hate to fucking hear it but it doesn't get any less true the more you ignore it.
The Trump administration is trying to drive the world economy into the toilet, which is bad for everyone (Wanna talk about how Trump is trying to move away from economic globalism or his veritable fucking collection of trade wars?)
This is a guy who also very likely invited a foreign government to influence the election of one of the most powerful governments on Earth, is inconsistent, lies almost daily to his supporters and critics, has been accused of sexual harassment by twenty woman, tried to ban trans people from serving in the military, wouldn't allow an AMERICAN judge to rule on a case because he thought he had Mexican parents (remember, only "some of them" are "good people" anyway), and much more.
Charlottesville? Kentucky? Planned Parenthood shootings? Elliot Rodger? Dylann Storm Roof? Alenxandre Bissonnette? I mean, the 2012 Kentucky riots? They made the Berkeley riots look like nothing and that was a goddamn sporting event riot. (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-latest-kentucky-riot-is-part-of-a-long-destructive-sports-tradition/) Keep in mind that, in terms of terrorism, right-wing violence is in second place behind Islamist terror attacks (there's been roughly 3000 deaths since the early 90's when it comes to terror attacks. Islamists are responsible for about 90% I believe and Right Wing terrorists are about 7%. I can bring up these numbers, if you'd like to see specifics but my approximations aren't off.) Is the left denying Russian interference in the 2016 election when it's a matter of fact? Are the Russian trolls able to easily infiltrate the left as they rampantly have been with the right? (See: The_Donald)
We can talk about the "softer" shit, like GamerGate and how figures like Anita Sarkeesian, as much as you may disagree with her positions, was threatened and bullied by a toxic culture often defended and advocated for by the right. Just kidding, "gamer bros" are super sharp dudes!
NO ONE who is reasonable can tell me the left is more dangerous because of Peterson's GARBAGE slippery slope fallacy laden positions about C-16, tumblr posts, phony/cowardly "moderates/centrists", or extremist college/university students (we know they're never extreme lol nbd). If you want to criticize the left? Go ahead. Do it all day long. I don't give a shit. I have a TON of issues with the far left and any extreme partisan worship. Hell, I honestly really don't like Clinton (mostly because she's immensely backed by corporate money and some of us REALLY do want to see a swamp-draining at least start before we die) but if was in a position to choose one over the other? Clinton. Every goddamn time.
Why? As much as I have ACTUAL issues with both left-wing ideologies and right-wing ideologies (as opposed to labeling myself a centrist and coddling the right wing whilst irrationally and obsessively slamming the left wing), the right wing are at best problematic pseudo-intellectual dog-whistlers and at worst? Violent, racist, sexist, xenophobic, anti-science, anti-progress, absolutely fucking braindead, etc.
The worst offenders are social conservatives (I still take issue with economic conservatives but not as much) and the alt-right in general.
I'm on no high-horse but like anyone else with a shred of self-awareness, I'm pissed off that ignorant individuals are focusing on non-problems so forgive me if I'm not readily extending olive branches.
Originally posted by The Lost
Like when he was worried about C-16? Explain to me why you can see how "Peterson is worried." About anything. We can go point-by-point or issue-by-issue.Based on this post and others I've seen by you and other members on this board, I want to make something clear...
The left isn't more dangerous and I hate this shitty perspective SO much. Also, don't tell me about "radicalized" students shutting people down. They're students. Students have been radicals since the beginning of goddamn time. Do you know anything about the 1960's in America?
"Moderates" like Dave Rubin and "slightly less moderates" such as Shapiro? Like, this is all a big troll, right?
Is it because Rubin told you a bunch of times he's really a "liberal" or "left-leaning" but gives consistent platforms to right-leaning extremists and softballs them for the whole interview? Ah yes, Rubin the "enlightened centrist."
Like, some of the most watched conservative media is Fox News, Breitbart, the Daily Caller, The Daily Wire, fucking InfoWars. Fucking InfoWars! We are talking about a growing political ideology that supports ethnostates, considers race realism scientifically valid, thinks there's two genders, thinks that watching YouTube videos of riots or anecdotes is "data", thinks Tommy Robinson is unfairly jailed, think Islam is a threat to the west (even more than Christianity), and more.
The right, in North America and Europe, is BAR-NONE the most dangerous, worrisome, threatening, and poisonous partisan affiliation you could ever hope to side with, agree with, or support. Centrists enable them (and often share many anti-science, irrational, hateful, and non-factual perspectives) and useful idiots propagate their horrendously asinine platforms and perspectives.
As a centrist, you have the same loss of focus as every other "enlightened centrists" in that you'll yammer on about how civil discourse is dead and perhaps complain about the left's "name-calling" which distracts from all sorts of genuine threats to free speech, the economy, forward movement, and more. Trump running one of the most influential, powerful, and far-reaching governments on this planet has implications. I know you guys hate to fucking hear it but it doesn't get any less true the more you ignore it.
The Trump administration is trying to drive the world economy into the toilet, which is bad for everyone (Wanna talk about how Trump is trying to move away from economic globalism or his veritable fucking collection of trade wars?)
This is a guy who also very likely invited a foreign government to influence the election of one of the most powerful governments on Earth, is inconsistent, lies almost daily to his supporters and critics, has been accused of sexual harassment by twenty woman, tried to ban trans people from serving in the military, wouldn't allow an AMERICAN judge to rule on a case because he thought he had Mexican parents (remember, only "some of them" are "good people" anyway), and much more.
Charlottesville? Kentucky? Planned Parenthood shootings? Elliot Rodger? Dylann Storm Roof? Alenxandre Bissonnette? I mean, the 2012 Kentucky riots? They made the Berkeley riots look like nothing and that was a goddamn sporting event riot. (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-latest-kentucky-riot-is-part-of-a-long-destructive-sports-tradition/) Keep in mind that, in terms of terrorism, right-wing violence is in second place behind Islamist terror attacks (there's been roughly 3000 deaths since the early 90's when it comes to terror attacks. Islamists are responsible for about 90% I believe and Right Wing terrorists are about 7%. I can bring up these numbers, if you'd like to see specifics but my approximations aren't off.) Is the left denying Russian interference in the 2016 election when it's a matter of fact? Are the Russian trolls able to easily infiltrate the left as they rampantly have been with the right? (See: The_Donald)
We can talk about the "softer" shit, like GamerGate and how figures like Anita Sarkeesian, as much as you may disagree with her positions, was threatened and bullied by a toxic culture often defended and advocated for by the right. Just kidding, "gamer bros" are super sharp dudes!
NO ONE who is reasonable can tell me the left is more dangerous because of Peterson's GARBAGE slippery slope fallacy laden positions about C-16, tumblr posts, phony/cowardly "moderates/centrists", or extremist college/university students (we know they're never extreme lol nbd). If you want to criticize the left? Go ahead. Do it all day long. I don't give a shit. I have a TON of issues with the far left and any extreme partisan worship. Hell, I honestly really don't like Clinton (mostly because she's immensely backed by corporate money and some of us REALLY do want to see a swamp-draining at least start before we die) but if was in a position to choose one over the other? Clinton. Every goddamn time.
Why? As much as I have ACTUAL issues with both left-wing ideologies and right-wing ideologies (as opposed to labeling myself a centrist and coddling the right wing whilst irrationally and obsessively slamming the left wing), the right wing are at best problematic pseudo-intellectual dog-whistlers and at worst? Violent, racist, sexist, xenophobic, anti-science, anti-progress, absolutely fucking braindead, etc.
The worst offenders are social conservatives (I still take issue with economic conservatives but not as much) and the alt-right in general.
I'm on no high-horse but like anyone else with a shred of self-awareness, I'm pissed off that ignorant individuals are focusing on non-problems so forgive me if I'm not readily extending olive branches. [/B]
Originally posted by The LostI recognise all of the problems of the right, and the dangers they pose. I live in the UK, where an authoritarian Right-Wing government has torn apart our entire infrastructure only to line their own (already extremely full) pockets. We have EDL protests that act under the guise of patriotism but clearly represent fairly wide-spread racist views, and help to propagate such views in the public eye. The amount of anti-immigrant fake news that I see even just on Facebook is astounding and worrying (e.g., a video of football hooligans rioting being posted under the banner of "MUSLIMS RIOT BECAUSE STREET WON'T GO HALAL" or some other gibberish). I get it.
Like when he was worried about C-16? Explain to me why you can see how "Peterson is worried." About anything. We can go point-by-point or issue-by-issue.Based on this post and others I've seen by you and other members on this board, I want to make something clear...
The left isn't more dangerous and I hate this shitty perspective SO much. Also, don't tell me about "radicalized" students shutting people down. They're students. Students have been radicals since the beginning of goddamn time. Do you know anything about the 1960's in America?
"Moderates" like Dave Rubin and "slightly less moderates" such as Shapiro? Like, this is all a big troll, right?
Is it because Rubin told you a bunch of times he's really a "liberal" or "left-leaning" but gives consistent platforms to right-leaning extremists and softballs them for the whole interview? Ah yes, Rubin the "enlightened centrist."
Like, some of the most watched conservative media is Fox News, Breitbart, the Daily Caller, The Daily Wire, fucking InfoWars. Fucking InfoWars! We are talking about a growing political ideology that supports ethnostates, considers race realism scientifically valid, thinks there's two genders, thinks that watching YouTube videos of riots or anecdotes is "data", thinks Tommy Robinson is unfairly jailed, think Islam is a threat to the west (even more than Christianity), and more.
The right, in North America and Europe, is BAR-NONE the most dangerous, worrisome, threatening, and poisonous partisan affiliation you could ever hope to side with, agree with, or support. Centrists enable them (and often share many anti-science, irrational, hateful, and non-factual perspectives) and useful idiots propagate their horrendously asinine platforms and perspectives.
As a centrist, you have the same loss of focus as every other "enlightened centrists" in that you'll yammer on about how civil discourse is dead and perhaps complain about the left's "name-calling" which distracts from all sorts of genuine threats to free speech, the economy, forward movement, and more. Trump running one of the most influential, powerful, and far-reaching governments on this planet has implications. I know you guys hate to fucking hear it but it doesn't get any less true the more you ignore it.
The Trump administration is trying to drive the world economy into the toilet, which is bad for everyone (Wanna talk about how Trump is trying to move away from economic globalism or his veritable fucking collection of trade wars?)
This is a guy who also very likely invited a foreign government to influence the election of one of the most powerful governments on Earth, is inconsistent, lies almost daily to his supporters and critics, has been accused of sexual harassment by twenty woman, tried to ban trans people from serving in the military, wouldn't allow an AMERICAN judge to rule on a case because he thought he had Mexican parents (remember, only "some of them" are "good people" anyway), and much more.
Charlottesville? Kentucky? Planned Parenthood shootings? Elliot Rodger? Dylann Storm Roof? Alenxandre Bissonnette? I mean, the 2012 Kentucky riots? They made the Berkeley riots look like nothing and that was a goddamn sporting event riot. (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-latest-kentucky-riot-is-part-of-a-long-destructive-sports-tradition/) Keep in mind that, in terms of terrorism, right-wing violence is in second place behind Islamist terror attacks (there's been roughly 3000 deaths since the early 90's when it comes to terror attacks. Islamists are responsible for about 90% I believe and Right Wing terrorists are about 7%. I can bring up these numbers, if you'd like to see specifics but my approximations aren't off.) Is the left denying Russian interference in the 2016 election when it's a matter of fact? Are the Russian trolls able to easily infiltrate the left as they rampantly have been with the right? (See: The_Donald)
We can talk about the "softer" shit, like GamerGate and how figures like Anita Sarkeesian, as much as you may disagree with her positions, was threatened and bullied by a toxic culture often defended and advocated for by the right. Just kidding, "gamer bros" are super sharp dudes!
NO ONE who is reasonable can tell me the left is more dangerous because of Peterson's GARBAGE slippery slope fallacy laden positions about C-16, tumblr posts, phony/cowardly "moderates/centrists", or extremist college/university students (we know they're never extreme lol nbd). If you want to criticize the left? Go ahead. Do it all day long. I don't give a shit. I have a TON of issues with the far left and any extreme partisan worship. Hell, I honestly really don't like Clinton (mostly because she's immensely backed by corporate money and some of us REALLY do want to see a swamp-draining at least start before we die) but if was in a position to choose one over the other? Clinton. Every goddamn time.
Why? As much as I have ACTUAL issues with both left-wing ideologies and right-wing ideologies (as opposed to labeling myself a centrist and coddling the right wing whilst irrationally and obsessively slamming the left wing), the right wing are at best problematic pseudo-intellectual dog-whistlers and at worst? Violent, racist, sexist, xenophobic, anti-science, anti-progress, absolutely fucking braindead, etc.
The worst offenders are social conservatives (I still take issue with economic conservatives but not as much) and the alt-right in general.
I'm on no high-horse but like anyone else with a shred of self-awareness, I'm pissed off that ignorant individuals are focusing on non-problems so forgive me if I'm not readily extending olive branches. [/B]
I've been on the 'left' my entire life (up until recently, although I still wouldn't actually label myself left, right, or centrist in any concrete terms) and generally agree with a lot of the stuff you just said (although some of it is ideological horseshit, sorry), but you seem to be coming from a position where you're cramming as many words as you can into my mouth to misrepresent my views, so as to be able to throw this heap of information at me as if you know specifically who I am and what I believe, and as if this is somehow meant to blow my mind. Nothing you said was new to me, and most of it is self-evident.
You're clearly intelligent and somewhat self-aware, so I don't want to diss you, but most of this post is just an ideology-fuelled history of the past three to five years, so forgive me for not tackling it point-by-point or issue-by-issue.