Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Fun fact:Demented Rage and his minion, celery, are the last thorbags alive on KMC Forums.
Everyone else has perished over the years. Dambo retconned himself out of that group.
Originally posted by One_Angry_ScotDamborg is legitimately trying to judge the feat on its own merit, and I admire him for that. He didn't get triggered, try to insecurely use logical fallacies and go "Look at this poetry, Thor can do the same!! The sun even turns away when Thor strikes!! Either this is true, or both are false!!".
I know you guys are joking but we know that people were not saying that. Now the original discussion about Superman and the Phantom Zone has now been swept under the rug.
Even carver, with all of his insecurity, tried to use a scan he knew nothing about, but at least had the decency to keep quiet once shown.
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
I know you guys are joking but we know that people were not saying that. Now the original discussion about Superman and the Phantom Zone has now been swept under the rug.
Well, that's what I was saying.
Someone asked what his best striking feat was. Abhi posted it. It was debated.
If people have a BETTER feat, by all means, post it.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well, that's what I was saying.Someone asked what his best striking feat was. Abhi posted it. It was debated.
If people have a BETTER feat, by all means, post it.
It wasn't really debated though was it. Happens to be a Thor fan that has a problem with it. So there of course has to be a agenda. Then it's swept under the rug. It was hardly discussed at all. Just another "lets insult Thor" which I think is a fault from both sides because the Thor fans maybe could not have brought him up and just kept the discussion on the topic of Superman.
I made a post trying to discuss it since people were just regurgitating the same points over and over and that was ignored. But arguments of people insulting eachother that carries on, do people care enough to know what happened. I contacted Bendis. Do people actually want to know what happened or do we just want to sling poop at eachother?
I'll post it again,
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
I'll just play Devils advocate here. Debating this will largely always end into semantics. Grammar can be at hand hugely here. Remember I'm not stating a view here I'm just running through each point.1. You could say that the only way Superman knows that the entire Zone is in trouble is because he can hear across a dimension that is seemingly boundless. Which if seen that way would also imply his abilities to hear things is basically incalculable across any distance.
If that is the opposite and he can't hear that far (which wasn't 100% clarified) then you could say Superman is making an assumption which if you wanted to you could say is based on a well thought intuition.
2. On the other hand you could say that the scan itself says "Every creature [b]must have
been alerted to this". In language this doesn't mean they did definitely, it just implies that Superman thinks the battle is raging so much that everything inside the zone must have been able to hear it.===
He can hear Earthquakes in the distance. The term distance is never clarified further. Saying the zone is trembling again,
Again if we were to assume that the zone was trembling how would we assume this is true. One hypothesis is the fact that in this case Superman can hear across the entire spectrum of the phantom zone. Which is itself a feat that is very impressive. But if that was true then he wouldn't have said "must have been alerted". He would have said "Every creature inside the Zone has been alerted, chaos will further descend on the Phantom Zone".
3. Insomuch as someone might say something like "The world stands with you", "The world stands in amazement" or any other variation of them pithy lines. Nobody actually does know if them things are true. Can they really know if a member of an undiscovered tribe from Papua New Guinea is rooting with lets say Buzz Aldrin to have success. We know that this is in reality hyperbole. But it makes for an extremely impressive statement.
Superman I don't think is being hyperbolic. There would be little point in doing so, But if he is not being hyperbolic does it mean that the entire Phantom Zone is therefore trembling? Put simply it doesn't, even if you are on the side that believes that to be fact. It doesn't give you a concrete answer, one might want to say it is a reasonable assumption based on what he can hear, feel (vibrations etc.)
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Like I say there isn't really a way for anyone to be 100%. I don't think Bendis was deliberately trying to write the story to be clandestine except to only a few people who are initiated who "know the truth". Nobody knows the 100% truth.
The only way you will know is if someone contacts Bendis and asks him. Like the time when I asked Dan Jurgens if Superman had flown from the edge of the Universe back to Earth or just from Saturn back to Earth if anyone remembers that. And it was revealed that he did in fact fly from the edge of the Universe.
You really need to contact Bendis to find out the the exact truth. Because it isn't a definite statement either way. Not intentionally made to be vague. It is just as it would be any humans interpretation of an event that they are thinking of. If it had been Morrison writing it he would have worded it differently. If it was Jurgens he would have worded it differently. For better or for worse. Which you would then be met with the same hypothesis. Ultimately comics aren't created for battleboards (not saying anyone said that), they aren't going to say "This fight made the whole phantom zone tremble because of how powerful we all are". Because it would sound like a robot talking (which Bendis has been guilty of doing in the past). Like in a lot of poetry things are written often in flowery language. This is just a regular version of that. [/B]
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well....you knew full well what would happen when you posted your scans 😛So in effect, it's all your fault lol.
I was hoping that wouldn't be the case as I'm an optimist, but growth hasn't reached that far as of yet.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Even then, it would be hard to wholeheartedly accept a statement from a writer through social media. Social media is your avenue of questioning Scott?
Anyways, so many things to factor in.
The point is you know when Sentry died in SIEGE. Peoeple were debating all over about did Robert want to die or did he not and he was just killed.
Then Bendis says in an interview that Sentry wanted to be killed but he didn't want to put a 4th wall esque line where someone says "Damn if Sentry didn't want to die we couldn't have killed him". Which is what my point about flowery language/poetry however you wish to describe it comes from.
The point is people shouldn't have to resort to contacting the writers. But when a debate ends up descending into complete non sequitur s it has to be brought back. Otherwise people might as well be asylum inmates talking to their reflections.
It to me at least was pretty obvious that was the case that Robert wanted to die. But as is nature people debate which is fine. But if someone then says "x is an idiot".
Or like how in this thread insults are being traded. It makes no sense. Though in the case of this scan Bendis has sort of made this pretty ambiguous by accident. I'm pretty sure he didn't think of writing that line to be some awesome Deceptive Cadence type thing.
In fairness, celey didn't choose to be born retarded. The Universe wanted him that way.
I, on the other hand, could have chosen not to point out the obvious, and leave him be.
So it's my fault for calling a spade a spade.
I guess, you could say, his mind is so dense, that it broke through the dimension of my ignore list.
Suffice to say, the walls were reinforced now. And that is the last time I'll address the double-neuron brothers.
Originally posted by Philosophía
In fairness, celey didn't choose to be born retarded. The Universe wanted him that way.I, on the other hand, could have chosen not to point out the obvious, and leave him be.
So it's my fault for calling a spade a spade.
I guess, you could say, his mind is so dense, that it broke through the dimension of my ignore list.
Suffice to say, the walls were reinforced now. And that is the last time I'll address the double-neuron brothers.
Can we all go back to posting pictures of Hulk getting rekt by a street level Gorilla 😛
I remember that. Can't recall if that was straight social media or some nerd media outlets in the vein of cbr, newsrama, etc...
For whatever its worth, I would tend to put more weight with the latter rather than the former. I guess u can call it a form of snooty bias, but it just seems more official. And for the record, I did think Sentry was more responsible for his death than the final strike that hit him.
Originally posted by Philosophía
In fairness, celey didn't choose to be born retarded. The Universe wanted him that way.I, on the other hand, could have chosen not to point out the obvious, and leave him be.
So it's my fault for calling a spade a spade.
I guess, you could say, his mind is so dense, that it broke through the dimension of my ignore list.
Suffice to say, the walls were reinforced now. And that is the last time I'll address the double-neuron brothers.
I find this offensive.
"Spade a spade." Social construct. If a spade wants to be a shovel, who are we to criticise?
Originally posted by Philosophía
In the meantime...Superman shatters SoulFire Darkseid's body, which can withstand attacks from The Source [the fabric of Reality itself is shattered and Bleed is leaking in, but Darkseid is fine]
Always loved that scan. The art is lovely.
But of course as we know Darkseid has a weak point on his 12th Lumbar haha.
Jokes aside that scan is extremely impressive. Superman has power level that is extremely dynamic if he needs to act. Look at OWAW as an example. Then eh will perform way under that grade. It is part of his character to be on one hand extremely powerful when the time comes. But writers put failsafes in his way to stop him from just OWAW'ING every character he comes across. While that would be enjoyable to read in the end it would get old very quickly.
A character like this makes it very hard to discuss on battleboards because we can either go with the Superman that can do something like this, go OWAW mode able to see things in whatever second variation. But then if say for example Helspont comes back and lands a punch on him then someone could for instance say "Superman is so slow he can do one thing one time and another thing at another time".
To make characters like Superman easier to discuss I think people need to be a lot more specific. Superman also suffers being that he appears in so many comics it's crazy. In the end a character like him becomes chaotic to debate about to a point. Unless specific clarification is exacted.
