Who is more heroic: Captain America vs. Thor

Originally posted by FrothByte
Your post is a blurb of phrases, half of which have nothing to do with this argument. Why are you making such a big deal about this anyway? Just pick one scene from your examples and post it. We can debate that then once done we can move to another.

I don't understand why you're being so difficult about this. It's pathetic and immature, like a kid throwing a tantrum.

Well maybe am being deficult because you are being blind, irrational, and trolling Froth.

Either way, let it not be known that the Tribunal isn't condescending.

1 feat proving Captain America being more heroic than Thor

- First of all jury i will start giving the definition of heroism:

conduct especially as exhibited in fulfilling a high purpose or attaining a noble end

- Therefore we can conclude that being heroic doesn't concern with power or strength (physically). Rather Heroism is concerned with the character's personality and traits. Furthermore, we can conclude that heroism is solely concerned with the conduct and actions a character takes when in times of hardship.

Argument demanded by the opposition:

A feat both characters share and which can be therefore brought for comparisson is that of Self Sacrifice. Both Thor and Captain America have comitted Self Sacrifice.

In Thor 1 we saw Thor giving himself to the Destroyer in order to save those he love. In Captain America the First Avenger we saw Steve sacrificing himself to a granade for random non-important soldiers.

Now, IT'S CLEAR who the most heroic is.

I will move now to address why Captain America is evidentely and without a doubt the most heroic.

Although Thor did in fact Self Sacrificed himself, which does make him very heroic, the fact is he was the reason the Destroyer was on Earth in the first place. Thor was on Earth because he was insolent, irresponsible and abusive. Furthermore, although Thor did Self Sacrificed, it was for those he loved (Jayne was there, his Asgardian fellows were there, etc). Furthermore, it could be argued that Thor knew he would 'Become Worthy' if he Self Sacrificed, which means Thor knew he wasn't endangered in the first place.

On the other hand, we got Steve who was

1. Bullied by the other Soldiers
2. Underestimated; no one believed in him.
3. Didn't had a responsibility to save them
4. No one was really in danger since all the soldier ran away (no one would have died really). Furthermore he could have run away too (like the other soldiers)

It's clear Captain America is heroic by nature. He was a no one. The very reason he became Captain America is because he EARNED IT. He was recognized for his herosim and great personality.

Conclusion:

Thor is heroic yes. I never stated otherwise. However, Cap just go the lead.

Cap is an authentic hero. He never owned anyone anything, and yet gave it all.

I hope you are content Froth. This should be enough to make you stop trolling me

I hope you are content Froth. I have given my point (Which i had previously given but since you are BLIND....)

Josh just ranting and raving about his opinion not the facts. Thor is ha doomed therefore Cap is more heroic. Josh logic at its finest.

HAHAHAHA! Isn't it funny how some people can't grasp when they are being ignored!?

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
HAHAHAHA! Isn't it funny how some people can't grasp when they are being ignored!?

Josh is right. Cap is more heroic. Thor is still a hero. Thats why when Cap bites the dust in the next one by sacrificing himself to the Soul Stone it will be a moment to not forget.

Originally posted by WolvesofBabylon
Josh is right. Cap is more heroic. Thor is still a hero. Thats why when Cap bites the dust in the next one by sacrificing himself to the Soul Stone it will be a moment to not forget.

Thanks Wolfie!

And I hope you are wrong and didn't just spoil me Avengers 4 mother****er!

😂

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Some people can't realize they aren't being quoted nor named therefore aren't being answered.

Some person is still ignored and hasn't grasped it! HAHAHAHAHAHA

Thor is more heroic Cap is just a weaker guy. Too small scale to truly matter on the scale Thor does. Thor doesn’t just protect earth he protects Asgardians.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Well maybe am being deficult because you are being blind, irrational, and trolling Froth.

Either way, let it not be known that the Tribunal isn't condescending.

[B]1 feat proving Captain America being more heroic than Thor

- First of all jury i will start giving the definition of heroism:

- Merriam Webster Dictionary

- Therefore we can conclude that being heroic doesn't concern with power or strength (physically). Rather Heroism is concerned with the character's personality and traits. Furthermore, we can conclude that heroism is solely concerned with the conduct and actions a character takes when in times of hardship.

Argument demanded by the opposition:

A feat both characters share and which can be therefore brought for comparisson is that of Self Sacrifice. Both Thor and Captain America have comitted Self Sacrifice.

In Thor 1 we saw Thor giving himself to the Destroyer in order to save those he love. In Captain America the First Avenger we saw Steve sacrificing himself to a granade for random non-important soldiers.

Now, IT'S CLEAR who the most heroic is.

I will move now to address why Captain America is evidentely and without a doubt the most heroic.

Although Thor did in fact Self Sacrificed himself, which does make him very heroic, the fact is he was the reason the Destroyer was on Earth in the first place. Thor was on Earth because he was insolent, irresponsible and abusive. Furthermore, although Thor did Self Sacrificed, it was for those he loved (Jayne was there, his Asgardian fellows were there, etc). Furthermore, it could be argued that Thor knew he would 'Become Worthy' if he Self Sacrificed, which means Thor knew he wasn't endangered in the first place.

On the other hand, we got Steve who was

1. Bullied by the other Soldiers
2. Underestimated; no one believed in him.
3. Didn't had a responsibility to save them
4. No one was really in danger since all the soldier ran away (no one would have died really). Furthermore he could have run away too (like the other soldiers)

It's clear Captain America is heroic by nature. He was a no one. The very reason he became Captain America is because he EARNED IT. He was recognized for his herosim and great personality.

Conclusion:

Thor is heroic yes. I never stated otherwise. However, Cap just go the lead.

Cap is an authentic hero. He never owned anyone anything, and yet gave it all.

I hope you are content Froth. This should be enough to make you stop trolling me

[/B]

Finally. Was that really so hard? Now we can actually get down to the debate.

Self-sacrifice. It's not simply a matter of sacrificing oneself and self interests, we should also take into account how much either Cap or Thor had to lose.

Though Captain America did sacrifice his life to save countless other people whom he didn't know, he didn't exactly have a choice did he? The plane controls were damaged, there was no indication that there was a parachute anywhere, and it was on autopilot to bomb New York. Either the plane was going to crash in a city or he could crash it in the sea. Either way he dies, he just chose to die in a way that saved lives.

Now let's get to Thor. When he sacrificed himself against the Destroyer, he was in no danger of getting killed. He had already taken himself out of the immediate fight zone, the warriors 3 were distracting the Destroyer, and he could have simply grabbed Jane, jumped on her jeep and drove away. Of course, there's no guarantee that the Destroyer won't chase after him once he finished with the Warriors 3 but the point is: Thor had a choice. He could have driven away, he could have asked help from SHIELD, etc. But he chose to stay and sacrifice himself to save lives.

In short, Thor had more to lose when he sacrificed his life because he could have actually lived whereas Cap was going to die anyway. Therefore: in this scenario, Thor had a better feat of self-sacrifice.

And that's not even taking into consideration that Thor sacrificed his life twice, with the other one being against the neutron star whereas Cap only sacrificed his life once.

Josh got destroyed. Hahahahaha.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Finally. Was that really so hard? Now we can actually get down to the debate.

Self-sacrifice. It's not simply a matter of sacrificing oneself and self interests, we should also take into account how much either Cap or Thor had to lose.

Though Captain America did sacrifice his life to save countless other people whom he didn't know, he didn't exactly have a choice did he? The plane controls were damaged, there was no indication that there was a parachute anywhere, and it was on autopilot to bomb New York. Either the plane was going to crash in a city or he could crash it in the sea. Either way he dies, he just chose to die in a way that saved lives.

Now let's get to Thor. When he sacrificed himself against the Destroyer, he was in no danger of getting killed. He had already taken himself out of the immediate fight zone, the warriors 3 were distracting the Destroyer, and he could have simply grabbed Jane, jumped on her jeep and drove away. Of course, there's no guarantee that the Destroyer won't chase after him once he finished with the Warriors 3 but the point is: Thor had a choice. He could have driven away, he could have asked help from SHIELD, etc. But he chose to stay and sacrifice himself to save lives.

In short, Thor had more to lose when he sacrificed his life because he could have actually lived whereas Cap was going to die anyway. Therefore: in this scenario, Thor had a better feat of self-sacrifice.

And that's not even taking into consideration that Thor sacrificed his life twice, with the other one being against the neutron star whereas Cap only sacrificed his life once.

Debate? Should i assume you have finally taken Thor's side? Finally! Was that really so hard?

PLEASE READ MY POST AND PAY ATTENTION TO THE ARGUMENTS BEING DEBATED!

I was clearly making mention to the time when Steve sacrificed himself for the soldiers in the camp (When Agent Carter threw the fake granade).

Won't address anything else, since clearly you didn't read my post.

Someone is a terrible cheerleader

Josh can’t refute anything just like every time someone engages his biased trash.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
[B] Debate? Should i assume you have finally taken Thor's side? Finally! Was that really so hard?

PLEASE READ MY POST AND PAY ATTENTION TO THE ARGUMENTS BEING DEBATED!

I was clearly making mention to the time when Steve sacrificed himself for the soldiers in the camp (When Agent Carter threw the fake granade).

Won't address anything else, since clearly you didn't read my post. [/B]

Ah, my mistake. Maybe if you stopped using such eye-irritating color I'd read better. Anyway, you have my apologies.

Doesn't change my arguments though, except that the score for life-sacrifice is now 2-2. Point still stands that Thor has better feats of self-sacrifice because he had more to lose. When Cap jumped on that grenade, he was a nobody trying to prove that he could be better. His heroic act could easily be mistook as suicide. It was also kinda dumb if you think about it. The rest of the soldiers were already outside the blast radius by the time Steve jumped on the grenade.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Finally. Was that really so hard? Now we can actually get down to the debate.

Self-sacrifice. It's not simply a matter of sacrificing oneself and self interests, we should also take into account how much either Cap or Thor had to lose.

Though Captain America did sacrifice his life to save countless other people whom he didn't know, he didn't exactly have a choice did he? The plane controls were damaged, there was no indication that there was a parachute anywhere, and it was on autopilot to bomb New York. Either the plane was going to crash in a city or he could crash it in the sea. Either way he dies, he just chose to die in a way that saved lives.

Now let's get to Thor. When he sacrificed himself against the Destroyer, he was in no danger of getting killed. He had already taken himself out of the immediate fight zone, the warriors 3 were distracting the Destroyer, and he could have simply grabbed Jane, jumped on her jeep and drove away. Of course, there's no guarantee that the Destroyer won't chase after him once he finished with the Warriors 3 but the point is: Thor had a choice. He could have driven away, he could have asked help from SHIELD, etc. But he chose to stay and sacrifice himself to save lives.

In short, Thor had more to lose when he sacrificed his life because he could have actually lived whereas Cap was going to die anyway. Therefore: in this scenario, Thor had a better feat of self-sacrifice.

And that's not even taking into consideration that Thor sacrificed his life twice, with the other one being against the neutron star whereas Cap only sacrificed his life once.

Thor was going to die anyway. Loki set the Destroyer out to not only kill Thor but all of humanity. Thor did not have a choice.

Originally posted by h1a8
Thor was going to die anyway. Loki set the Destroyer out to not only kill Thor but all of humanity. Thor did not have a choice.

No he didn't. Which part of the movie indicates that Loki was going to kill all of humanity?

Originally posted by h1a8
Thor was going to die anyway. Loki set the Destroyer out to not only kill Thor but all of humanity. Thor did not have a choice.

Provide a clip from the movie where it is stated that Loki's intention was to kill all of humanity.

Originally posted by h1a8
Thor was going to die anyway. Loki set the Destroyer out to not only kill Thor but all of humanity. Thor did not have a choice.

Originally posted by h1a8
Thor was going to die anyway. Loki set the Destroyer out to not only kill Thor but all of humanity. Thor did not have a choice.

Urm no. He could have hid, fled or escaped with the Warriors Three.

There was no indication Loki was going to destroy humanity.