Who is more heroic: Captain America vs. Thor

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Lol! Clearly you aren't thinking properly by this point.

Thor's girlfreind was there (Jayne) and his friends. His Asgardian friends were there too. On the other hand, Steve sacrificed himself for stupid, non-important, abusive soldiers.

First of all, you need to rewatch the Thor/Destroyer fight. Thor had already been able to clear out the people while the Warriors 3 were fighting the Destroyer. Like I said, they could have ran and driven away.

Secondly, prove that all the soldiers were stupid, abusive and non-important to Steve.

Third, you ignored the elephant in the room again.

Originally posted by FrothByte
First of all, you need to rewatch the Thor/Destroyer fight. Thor had already been able to clear out the people while the Warriors 3 were fighting the Destroyer. Like I said, they could have ran and driven away.

Secondly, prove that all the soldiers were stupid, abusive and non-important to Steve.

Third, you ignored the elephant in the room again.

Which leads to one of the points i mentioned in my argument (Which i believe you didn't read).

Thor was conscious about Odin's curse on Mjolnir. He knew that he had to be 'worthy' in order to get Mjolnir back. What a better way to be 'worthy' than to sacrifice yourself or a noble cause?

It's possible that Thor knew he would get Mjonir back should he sacrifice himself to the Destroyer. Which makes perfect sense considereing As you claimed he could have ran away (most would be saved) yet he didn't.

Have you watched Captain America? Everyone bullied and underestimated Steve in the soldier's camps.

trolling definetly won't help you. Specially considering you are a neutral and therefore NOT DEBATING here.

Thor didn't know about the Worthy enchantment. Willing to die, as a mortal, and sacrifice himself was the reason he was Worthy.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor didn't know about the Worthy enchantment. Willing to die, as a mortal, and sacrifice himself was the reason he was Worthy.

There is reason to believe he did. After all he couldnt lift it up. Thor knew the hammer was enchanted by Odin, reason why he shouted to the sky.

Furthermore Odin called Thor unworthy after the battle of Jutonheim. So he knew for a reason he had to become unworthy.

And even if Thor didnt know about the enchantment. Still Steve's cause was more noble.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Which leads to one of the points i mentioned in my argument [B](Which i believe you didn't read).

Thor was conscious about Odin's curse on Mjolnir. He knew that he had to be 'worthy' in order to get Mjolnir back. What a better way to be 'worthy' than to sacrifice yourself or a noble cause?

It's possible that Thor knew he would get Mjonir back should he sacrifice himself to the Destroyer. Which makes perfect sense considereing As you claimed he could have ran away (most would be saved) yet he didn't.

Have you watched Captain America? Everyone bullied and underestimated Steve in the soldier's camps.

trolling definetly won't help you. Specially considering you are a neutral and therefore NOT DEBATING here. [/B]

Err no, you don't get to just make stuff up Josh. Thor didn't know about the enchantment. Odin put that enchantment on Mjolnir after he had already banished Thor. Thor had no idea of what he needed to do to be able to wield Mjolnir again.

I watched Captain America, yes he was bullied. That doesn't mean that every single soldier in his troupe was mean to him. That doesn't mean that he wouldn't have formed stronger bonds with his fellow soldiers than Thor would have with the townspeople of New Mexico.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Err no, you don't get to just make stuff up Josh. Thor didn't know about the enchantment. Odin put that enchantment on Mjolnir [b]after he had already banished Thor. Thor had no idea of what he needed to do to be able to wield Mjolnir again.

I watched Captain America, yes he was bullied. That doesn't mean that every single soldier in his troupe was mean to him. That doesn't mean that he wouldn't have formed stronger bonds with his fellow soldiers than Thor would have with the townspeople of New Mexico. [/B]

I never said Thor heard his father's words. Yet he did heard Odin calling him Unworthy. Furthermore he tried to lift up his hammer with no success. Later he shouted to the sky making reference to Odin.

Therefore we can safely assume that Thor knew Odin enchanted Mjolnir and that he had to become worthy.

Some random soldiers < your girlfriend (Jayne Foster). Cap > Thor.

You lose one way or another.

No matter what valid points get brought in to shoot down josh’s clear cap biased he won’t be reasoned with. He’s so lot in his own pool of bs he can’t even see straight anymore.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
I never said Thor heard his father's words. Yet he did heard Odin calling him Unworthy. Furthermore he tried to lift up his hammer with no success. Later he shouted to the sky making reference to Odin.

Therefore we can safely assume that Thor knew Odin enchanted Mjolnir and that he had to become worthy.

Some random soldiers < your girlfriend (Jayne Foster). Cap > Thor.

You lose one way or another.

Man, that is some hard reaching you're doing there. So just because Odin told Thor he was unworthy to be king that's enough information for Thor to deduce that his powers would come back if he proved himself worthy? Like I said earlier, please stop making stuff up. Thor didn't know anything about the enchantment. Him shouting at the sky after not being able to pick up Mjolnir is just him venting his frustration and bewilderment and directing it at Odin. Bottom line is: Thor didn't know about the enchantment and he certainly didn't know what the "criteria" was to be considered worthy.

And why do you keep bringing Jane Foster into this? She wasn't in danger. Thor didn't sacrifice his life to save her, he sacrificed his life to keep New Mexico safe.

Poor josh.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Man, that is some hard reaching you're doing there. So just because Odin told Thor he was unworthy to be king that's enough information for Thor to deduce that his powers would come back if he proved himself worthy? Like I said earlier, please stop making stuff up. Thor didn't know anything about the enchantment. Him shouting at the sky after not being able to pick up Mjolnir is just him venting his frustration and bewilderment and directing it at Odin. Bottom line is: Thor didn't know about the enchantment and he certainly didn't know what the "criteria" was to be considered worthy.

And why do you keep bringing Jane Foster into this? She wasn't in danger. Thor didn't sacrifice his life to save her, he sacrificed his life to keep New Mexico safe.

Man it took you so long to reply I thought you had commited suicide! 😂

Your lack of logic is evident Froth.

There is no evidence to suggest Thor didn't know about the enchantment.

Thor is son of Odin. He is an asgardian prince. He is son of Freya and brother of Loki. The fact that you are trying to claim Thor doesn't know about enchantments proves that you are either ignorant or biased

Point rebuked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmLcJ6UO5_Y

Minute 0:17. Jane was right there watching it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UvCZqQbvqc

Minute 2:37. Jane and Thor's friends are right there! Destroyer could have killed them.

You are clearly giving desperate responses now Froth!

I have conceded and have given the argument and feats you demanded.

I have brought a feat which proves Captain America > Thor.

You WERE UNABLE to refute the evidence brought therefore my CASE REMAINS INTACT.

Josh is extremely delusional.

@Frothbyte

If you want to keep this argument I will demand for you to take a side. Cause otherwise this isn't a debate and therefore the Tribunal is wasting it's time.

Your choice now Froth.

As per now, this case is concluded. Cap wins.

Josh is so delusional and he just proved my point with his latest post.

@ Frothbyte's new cheerleader.

I've got to give you credit man. You are stubborn as hell! But please, you are a terrible cheerleader!

I prefer SilentMaster to be honest...You are boring. 😂 😂

You just proved my point and you’re not worthy of an actual debate. You’re dumb as ****.

@Frothbyte's cheerleader

You are clearly incompetent for debating reason why you support Froth.

HAHAHA! You are pathetic.

You are dumb and a joke. Continue to be one.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
@Frothbyte

If you want to keep this argument [B] I will demand for you to take a side. Cause otherwise this isn't a debate and therefore the Tribunal is wasting it's time.

Your choice now Froth.

As per now, this case is concluded. Cap wins. [/B]

Why do I need to take a side? There are other heroic aspects that Cap has better than Thor. But self-sacrifice is not one of them. Thor has made more selfless acts than Cap has. This is what I'm debating with you against, against your insistence that Cap has shown more self-sacrifice than Thor. Once we can agree on this we can move on to a different heroic aspect.

So if you concede that Thor is more selfless than Cap we can get to another category that you might have an easier time winning.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Why do I need to take a side? There are other heroic aspects that Cap has better than Thor. But self-sacrifice is not one of them. Thor has made more selfless acts than Cap has. This is what I'm debating with you against, against your insistence that Cap has shown more self-sacrifice than Thor. Once we can agree on this we can move on to a different heroic aspect.

So if you concede that Thor is more selfless than Cap we can get to another category that you might have an easier time winning.

I believe quality over quantity.

And yes you do, should you want to keep these discussion.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
I believe quality over quantity.

And yes you do, should you want to keep these discussion.

And yet Thor has both quality AND quantity. As I've already proven without doubt.