I do know you never provide anything useful to any debate. You constantly nitpick others but I dont recall any actual thought or opinion of your own that has stood out.
Prove to me that having more makes you more heroic. Prove that if two people who perform the same act, the one who has more is more heroic. Go ahead and educate me and I will admit I was wrong. I have no issues with that.
Originally posted by FrothByte
No he didn't. Which part of the movie indicates that Loki was going to kill all of humanity?
The question that settles this debate is
1. Would Cap do every act of heroism Thor did?
2. Would Thor do every act of heroism Cap did?
I argue that Thor wouldn't have jumped on a grenade for random soldiers that made fun of him.
If you disagree then we have a tie.
Thus the tie breaker is Thor trying to kill Cap for just trying to talk to him. Thor loses points there. Cap would have never done such a thing.
Originally posted by Silent Master
I'll take that as a no, you don't know anything about psychology. let me clue you in to something most people already know.People with less to lose are generally more willing to take risks. is there any other normal human behavior that you need explained to you?
I disagree with this for a very good reason.
But it's irrelevant since taking risks involves the possibility (in the risk taker's mind) that he has a chance to survive.
What Cap did involved 0 chance to survive (in his mind) and thus wasn't a risk to him.
Originally posted by WolvesofBabylon
The whole idea that you have more to lose makes you a better hero is ridiculous. So Jeff Bezos and a homeless guy are walking down the sreet and they jump out to save someone about to be hit by a car and they both die. Bezos is more heroic because he owns Amazon? The flipside is true as well.
No one is saying that you have to have lots to lose to become a hero. However, we are saying that self-sacrifice is an aspect of heroism and the fact is, self-sacrifice is a lot harder and challenging for people with more to lose than those with less.
Originally posted by h1a8
I guess the Destroyer wrecking everything in site.
Doesn't matter as we know Thor was on his agenda.
Thus Thor was going to die anyway.The question that settles this debate is
1. Would Cap do every act of heroism Thor did?
2. Would Thor do every act of heroism Cap did?I argue that Thor wouldn't have jumped on a grenade for random soldiers that made fun of him.
If you disagree then we have a tie.
Thus the tie breaker is Thor trying to kill Cap for just trying to talk to him. Thor loses points there. Cap would have never done such a thing.
You don't make the rules here h1. It doesn't become a tie just because you said so. Destroyer stopped wrecking stuff after it "killed" Thor which proves it wasn't out to destroy all humanity.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Ah, my mistake. Maybe if you stopped using such eye-irritating color I'd read better. Anyway, you have my apologies.Doesn't change my arguments though, except that the score for life-sacrifice is now 2-2. Point still stands that Thor has better feats of self-sacrifice because he had more to lose. When Cap jumped on that grenade, he was a nobody trying to prove that he could be better. His heroic act could easily be mistook as suicide. It was also kinda dumb if you think about it. The rest of the soldiers were already outside the blast radius by the time Steve jumped on the grenade.
Ohh i know you love it!! And what does color have to do with you not reading properly?
Either way.
HAHA! All the contrary! The fact that he had more to lose makes the feat less impressive!
Wouldn't you sacrifice your life for someone you love or care about? Most likely.
Would you sacrifce your life for someone you don't know and don't care about? Most likely no.
And here you give me another point. Just because you commit Self Sacrifice doesn't mean you are being heroic. A person who commits Self Sacrifice for someone he loves/cares about isn't necessarily heroic, for that same person won't neccesarily commit Self Sacrifice for someone unknown.
Lol. An act of Self Sacrifice is suicide! 😂
And no, as I claimed previously, Steve could have run just like the other soldiers did and "save" his life.
You are between the sword and the wall my friend.
Originally posted by Silent Master
I'll take that as a no, you don't know anything about psychology. let me clue you in to something most people already know.People with less to lose are generally more willing to take risks. is there any other normal human behavior that you need explained to you?
That doesnt matter when both people are willing to take the risk.Now if you want to argue that if Cap were King of Asgard, he wouldnt take that risk then go ahead.
If you research traits of a hero. I havent seen one that speaks about being well off or having more to lose.
Moral
Brave
Compassionate
Selfless
Loyal
Inspiring
Leadership
Confident
You dont need to have anything to have those traits.
Originally posted by FrothByte👆
No one is saying that you have to have lots to lose to become a hero. However, we are saying that self-sacrifice is an aspect of heroism and the fact is, self-sacrifice is a lot harder and challenging for people with more to lose than those with less.
This should be common sense but wolves is well not sharp.
Originally posted by WolvesofBabylon
That doesnt matter when both people are willing to take the risk.Now if you want to argue that if Cap were King of Asgard, he wouldnt take that risk then go ahead.If you research traits of a hero. I havent seen one that speaks about being well off or having more to lose.
Moral
Brave
Compassionate
Selfless
Loyal
Inspiring
Leadership
ConfidentYou dont need to have anything to have those traits.
Keyword here is selfless. It's harder for those with more to lose to be selfless than those with nothing. Thus people with more to lose make a bigger sacrifice in comparison.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Ohh i know you love it!! And what does color have to do with you not reading properly?Either way.
[B] HAHA! All the contrary! The fact that he had more to lose makes the feat less impressive!
Wouldn't you sacrifice your life for someone you love or care about? Most likely.
Would you sacrifce your life for someone you don't know and don't care about? Most likely no.
And here you give me another point. Just because you commit Self Sacrifice doesn't mean you are being heroic. A person who commits Self Sacrifice for someone he loves/cares about isn't necessarily heroic, for that same person won't neccesarily commit Self Sacrifice for someone unknown.
Lol. An act of Self Sacrifice is suicide! 😂
And no, as I claimed previously, Steve could have run just like the other soldiers did and "save" his life.
You are between the sword and the wall my friend. [/B]
Hold up, are you literally saying that a person with very little left to lose made a bigger sacrifice by laying his life on the line as compared to a person with a lot more to lose doing the same thing?
Originally posted by FrothByte
Hold up, are you literally saying that a person with very little left to lose made a bigger sacrifice by laying his life on the line as compared to a person with a lot more to lose doing the same thing?
Am saying a person who self sacrifices for people he DOESN'T CARE about >>>>> someone who sacrifices for friends and people he cares about.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Am saying a person who self sacrifices for people he DOESN'T CARE about >>>>> someone who sacrifices for friends and people he cares about.
What, you think Thor had a close relationship with the people of New Mexico? He probably didn't know anyone's names outside of Jane and co. Steve would have at least spent a lot of time with his troops. And as I already mentioned, Thor could have easily driven off with Jane and co. so they weren't in any immediate danger.
And you're still the elephant in the room: Which is that Thor had much more to lose than Steve did. And the fact that the 2 times Thor sacrificed his life weighs more than the twice Steve sacrificed his life.
Originally posted by FrothByte
What, you think Thor had a close relationship with the people of New Mexico? He probably didn't know anyone's names outside of Jane and co. Steve would have at least spent a lot of time with his troops. And as I already mentioned, Thor could have easily driven off with Jane and co. so they weren't in any immediate danger.And you're still turning a blind eye to the elephant in the room: Which is that Thor had much more to lose than Steve did.
Lol! Clearly you aren't thinking properly by this point.
Thor's girlfreind was there (Jayne) and his friends. His Asgardian friends were there too. On the other hand, Steve sacrificed himself for stupid, non-important, abusive soldiers.