Who is more heroic: Captain America vs. Thor

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
BAHAHAHA! I already did!!! WTH!!

And remind yourself Froth that it is you the one who's been lacking evidence here.

I checked your clip, I don't see any indication that Jane is in danger there. Like I said, you love to exaggerate and lowball, this is just another example. The Destroyer never even tried to harm Jane, so you're clearly inventing stuff by saying Thor sacrificed his life for Jane.

Edit: Thor specifically says "these people", which indicates it wasn't just Jane he was referring to but the civilians of New Mexico. That's what I've been saying all this time.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I checked your clip, I don't see any indication that Jane is in danger there.

Firstly you try to ignore my comment and now you are clearly lowballing (concession accepted)

The feat is clear. Jane and Thor's friends are in close proximity to the Destroyer. You can lowball as much as you like, feats won't change.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Like I said, you love to exaggerate and lowball, this is just another example. The Destroyer never even tried to harm Jane, so you're clearly inventing stuff by saying Thor sacrificed his life for Jane.

Objectiveness mr. Froth. Objectiveness! After all am not the one playing blind here, ignoring movie feats.

You can cry as much as you like, feats won't change.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Edit: Thor specifically says "these people", which indicates it wasn't just Jane he was referring to but the civilians of New Mexico. That's what I've been saying all this time.

These people includes Jane Foster, Dr. Selving, and Thor's Asgardian friends which are in the place

Your hypocrisy is evident. You run from debate yet go arround lowballing those who support Cap.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Firstly you try to ignore my comment and now you are [B] clearly lowballing (concession accepted)

The feat is clear. Jane and Thor's friends are in close proximity to the Destroyer. You can lowball as much as you like, feats won't change.

Objectiveness mr. Froth. Objectiveness! After all am not the one playing blind here, ignoring movie feats.

You can cry as much as you like, feats won't change.

These people includes Jane Foster, Dr. Selving, and Thor's Asgardian friends which are in the place

Your hypocrisy is evident. You run from debate yet go arround lowballing those who support Cap. [/B]

Actually, I just didn't see your first post. Wasn't trying to ignore it, just ended up seeing your 2nd post and not your first.

In any case, you're still wrong about that scene. First of all, Thor made the decision to sacrifice himself at around 2:15 of that clip, meaning that timestamp 2:58 had no bearing on Thor's decision.

Secondly, I didn't see Destroyer lighting up preparing to blast them in that scene. So Thor's decision to sacrifice himself was definitely not to save Jane specifically, it was to save all the civilians from collateral damage.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Actually, I just didn't see your first post. Wasn't trying to ignore it, just ended up seeing your 2nd post and not your first.

In any case, you're still wrong about that scene. First of all, Thor made the decision to sacrifice himself at around 2:15 of that clip, meaning that timestamp 2:58 had no bearing on Thor's decision.

Secondly, I didn't see Destroyer lighting up preparing to blast them in that scene. So Thor's decision to sacrifice himself was definitely not to save Jane specifically, it was to save all the civilians from collateral damage.

Keep lowballing.

Thor knew the Destroyer would reach their position. He anticipated Jane and his friends were in danger!

And no, he took the decision to sacrifice himself when he saw that his Asgardian friends were losing! Again you prove to be lowballing the feats and ignoring them.

You have lost FrothByte. Admit defeat.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Keep lowballing.

Thor knew the Destroyer would reach their position. He anticipated Jane and his friends were in danger!

And no, he took the decision to sacrifice himself when he saw that his Asgardian friends were losing! Again you prove to be lowballing the feats and ignoring them.

You have lost FrothByte. Admit defeat.

Supposition on your part. Clip clearly shows that Jane wasn't in imminent danger, so your comment on Thor sacrificing his life specifically for Jane has no bearing. I do not deny that Jane was probably part of why Thor sacrificed his life, I'm merely saying that he didn't do it specifically for Jane... especially when he could have ran w/ Jane away from the Destroyer.

The problem with you, Josh, is not that you don't have good points. The problem is that you love to misrepresent feats and exaggerate, sometimes even outright lie, about feats just to support your points. Had you said that Jane was part of the reason Thor was sacrificing himself I would have easily agreed. But you had to go and claim that Thor was doing it specifically for Jane which is clearly not supported by what we see in the clip. Again, you put your foot in your mouth.

P.S. - I have no problems agreeing with Thor deciding to sacrifice his life once he saw his Asgardian friends losing. After all, he'd have to be a complete moron to sacrifice his life even when the Warriors 3 could have defeated Destroyer.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Supposition on your part. Clip clearly shows that Jane wasn't in imminent danger, so your comment on Thor sacrificing his life specifically for Jane has no bearing. I do not deny that Jane was probably part of why Thor sacrificed his life, I'm merely saying that he didn't do it specifically for Jane... especially when he could have ran w/ Jane away from the Destroyer.

The problem with you, Josh, is not that you don't have good points. The problem is that you love to misrepresent feats and exaggerate, sometimes even outright lie, about feats just to support your points. Had you said that Jane was part of the reason Thor was sacrificing himself I would have easily agreed. But you had to go and claim that Thor was doing it specifically for Jane which is clearly not supported by what we see in the clip. Again, you put your foot in your mouth.

P.S. - I have no problems agreeing with Thor deciding to sacrifice his life once he saw his Asgardian friends losing. After all, he'd have to be a complete moron to sacrifice his life even when the Warriors 3 could have defeated Destroyer.

Okay The Tribunal has heard your circus. Time to end this debate (One you never had a part of and kept running from)

Captain America wins.
-He has better heroic feats
-Most people here agreed.

Am just happy not everyone is as biased as you Froth.

Now you can keep lowballing from your safe zone aka "Neutrality". My evidence and points are intact.

It was nice to unmask you.

The Tribunal has delivered. Decision on the case:

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
The Tribunal has evaluated both Thor's and Cap's trilogies:

[B]Captain America:
- A no one whose future was to be a random American person with a 'no one cares' future.
- He was sick, small, and underestimated.
- He was rejected to participate in WW2 and bullied.
- Despite being bullied he kept working hard and manage to enter the academy (As a random soldier destined to get killed by a Nazi!)
- He was in poor condition and yet managed to win all his courses in the academy.
- He sacrificed himself into what looked like a granade to safe his pals proving his massively heroic attitude.
- Finally rewarded for his attitude earning the SSS and becoming America's idol and embassador in WW2.
- He made the ultimate sacrifice by crashing Red Skull's plane into the ice saving a World who 1. Never believed in him 2. Mistreated him

Thor:
- Son of Odin, and heir of Asgard
- He was strong, powerful and damn handsome.
- He was given Mjolnir, one of the Universe's most power weapon at its time
- His pride and ego made him lose Mjolnir and his Powers
- He was casted to Earth where he had a decent lifetime and being looked over by Jane Foster and her friends
- He finally became humble and got a punch from Destroyer making him 'Worthy again'.
- Went to Asgard to fulfill his duty as heir to the throne, and fix something HE STARTED! He defeated Loki....Which is expected since he is the true son of Odin, and had Mjolnir which>>>>>Odin staff!

Captain America: The Winter Soldier
-Hydra comes out of the shadows
-Bucky Barnes aka. The Winter Soldier makes it's return and attack's SHIELD, attempts to kill both Cap and Nick Fury
- Did Steve even had a mother to look after him!? Did he even had someone to take care of him!!? Did he even had someone to feed him and love him!?..The only woman who loved him (Agent Carter) was ripped off his arms by time.
- Steve never had a brother! The only brother he ever knew 'apparently died' only to return years later as an enemy known as the Winter Soldier. Now he is faced with the heart-breaking task of facing his own brother in combat.
- Steve rather DIE! HE RATHER DIE instead of his brother who had turned evil and didn't only wanted to kill him but wanted the to destroy the world. Not only that, but Steve actually saved the day AGAIN!

Thor: Dark World
-Dark Elves come out of the shadows
-Malekith attacks Asgard killing Freya and kidnapping Jayne
- The entire Asgard moarns Freya's death and gives her a HELL of a funeral worthy of the Queen of Asgard. Her death is but a collateral damage between The Asgard-Elf wars.
- Thor follows his duty as Heir of Asgard and goes face Malekith which results in Loki 'apparently dying'. Sure Thor moarned him too, another casualty of war.
- BLAH BLAH BLAH, usual storytelling. The good guy defeats the bad one. End of Thor.

Captain America: Civil War
-Following the events of Sokovia the Cap has to choose whether following Stark’s decision to limit the Avengers to the Sokovia Accords or keep fighting for freedom despite breaking his relationship with Tony who although they’ve had their differences, are still friends.
-Winter Soldier appears again. He seems to be a villain, but is in truth the outcome of Hydra’s evil and experiments. Bucky was the closest thing to a brother Cap had (to our knowledge). He won’t give up on him, a true sign of love and heroism.
-Avengers split up. Tony wants to have revenge on Bucky. All Cap wants is to avoid conflict; he wants to protect Bucky. Tony is blinded by rage and anger, he is too emotionally to think properly on his actions and threatens to destroy the Avengers (As a team).
-Things end up for worse. Avengers are split up. Cap is FORCED to fight his OWN FRIENDS! In the end they manage to save Bucky and they escape. However, IM isn’t satisfied and won’t stop his plans of vengeance.
-Final conflict: IM engages both Bucky and Steve. Steve is reluctant to fight. ALL HE WANTS IS TO SAVE BUCKY. Yet Tony is enraged…well he has reasons to. Tony won’t hold back, he will have his vengeance.
-Finally after one of the most heart-breaking fights in the entire MCU…Cap manages to pull an unexpected victory…He didn’t killed Tony, he just stopped him…
-In the end, Cap’s decision cost him his friendship with Tony. He ended up being a considered a CRIMINAL by the world he once saved! By the country he once sacrificed everything for!

Thor Ragnarok:
-Odin goes missing. Thor and Loki find him in Norway. Odin dies of age. The sad truth of mortality.
-Hela appears. She is Thor’s sister, although Thor never even knew of her. Does Thor love her? Does Thor care for her? Well he did throw Mjolnir at her…Hardly a loving welcoming…
-Well Hela defended herself and exiled Thor and Loki. Thor ended up in Sakaar where he met old friends and make some new ones (Valkyrie and Hulk). In the end he is fine, and sets on a mission to save Asgard.
-They scape Sakaar and reach Asgard. Thor is fine, he had a hell of a trip from Sakaar to Asgard. He admits the food wasn’t the best, but he isn’t that demanding.
-Thor engages Hela. No holds barred! He will have Asgard back.
-After a hell of a fight. Surtur is released. Thor along with the rest of the Asgardians successfully escape, whilst Hela along with Asgard are obliterated COMPLETING RAGNAROK….The End of Asgard as it was prophesized so long ago….Although Asgard was destroy, “Asgard is not a place. Asgard is where it’s people is…” Odin Borson (I might have not write the exact words, but you get the concept).
-In the end Thor escapes unharmed (besides his eye which makes him look even more damn HANDSOME). His relationship with Loki solidifies! He meets a new hot chick (Valkyrie).

Cap's got more characterwise hard decisions to make. Thor has had more difficult tasks. [/B]

Cap wins.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Okay The Tribunal has heard your circus. Time to end this debate (One you never had a part of and kept running from)

Captain America wins.
-He has better heroic feats
-Most people here agreed.

Am just happy not everyone is as biased as you Froth.

Now you can keep lowballing from your safe zone aka "Neutrality". My evidence and points are intact.

It was nice to unmask you.

I see you completely dodged my points again. Funny how you keep doing that when I post evidence that completely demolishes your arguments.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I see you completely dodged my points again. Funny how you keep doing that when I post evidence that completely demolishes your arguments.

Points? You mean lowballs and whimps 😂

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Points? You mean lowballs and whimps 😂

Points, like how you claimed Thor sacrificed his life specifically for Jane but then the clip you posted never showed Jane being in direct danger. Or how the timestamp you mentioned (2:58) already happened AFTER Thor decided to sacrifice his life (2:15).

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Well maybe am being deficult because you are being blind, irrational, and trolling Froth.

Either way, let it not be known that the Tribunal isn't condescending.

[B]1 feat proving Captain America being more heroic than Thor

- First of all jury i will start giving the definition of heroism:

- Merriam Webster Dictionary

- Therefore we can conclude that being heroic doesn't concern with power or strength (physically). Rather Heroism is concerned with the character's personality and traits. Furthermore, we can conclude that heroism is solely concerned with the conduct and actions a character takes when in times of hardship.

Argument demanded by the opposition:

A feat both characters share and which can be therefore brought for comparisson is that of Self Sacrifice. Both Thor and Captain America have comitted Self Sacrifice.

In Thor 1 we saw Thor giving himself to the Destroyer in order to save those he love. In Captain America the First Avenger we saw Steve sacrificing himself to a granade for random non-important soldiers.

Now, IT'S CLEAR who the most heroic is.

I will move now to address why Captain America is evidentely and without a doubt the most heroic.

Although Thor did in fact Self Sacrificed himself, which does make him very heroic, the fact is he was the reason the Destroyer was on Earth in the first place. Thor was on Earth because he was insolent, irresponsible and abusive. Furthermore, although Thor did Self Sacrificed, it was for those he loved (Jayne was there, his Asgardian fellows were there, etc). Furthermore, it could be argued that Thor knew he would 'Become Worthy' if he Self Sacrificed, which means Thor knew he wasn't endangered in the first place.

On the other hand, we got Steve who was

1. Bullied by the other Soldiers
2. Underestimated; no one believed in him.
3. Didn't had a responsibility to save them
4. No one was really in danger since all the soldier ran away (no one would have died really). Furthermore he could have run away too (like the other soldiers)

It's clear Captain America is heroic by nature. He was a no one. The very reason he became Captain America is because he EARNED IT. He was recognized for his herosim and great personality.

Conclusion:

Thor is heroic yes. I never stated otherwise. However, Cap just go the lead.

Cap is an authentic hero. He never owned anyone anything, and yet gave it all.

I hope you are content Froth. This should be enough to make you stop trolling me

[/B]

Froth
You argument actually goes against Thor.

Think about it?
Thor gets to save the ones he loves if he willingly Sacrifices himself.

Cap gets to save losers who make fun of him.

Originally posted by h1a8
Froth
You argument actually goes against Thor.

Think about it?
Thor gets to save the ones he loves if he willingly Sacrifices himself.

Cap gets to save losers who make fun of him.

Plus the woman he likes/loves and the doctor he greatly respects. why do liars always leave out context?

Originally posted by h1a8
Froth
You argument actually goes against Thor.

Think about it?
Thor gets to save the ones he loves if he willingly Sacrifices himself.

Cap gets to save losers who make fun of him.

H1, have you not been paying attention to the conversation? Thor was saving the people of New Mexico, not just Jane... especially when Jane wasn't in any immediate danger.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander

Aaaand Josh dodged my points again. Keep running kid, keep running.

Originally posted by h1a8
Froth
You argument actually goes against Thor.

Think about it?
Thor gets to save the ones he loves if he willingly Sacrifices himself.

Cap gets to save losers who make fun of him.

Froth's bias clouds his judgement.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Aaaand Josh dodged my points again. Keep running kid, keep running.

Remember it was you the one who ran from the debate Froth.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander

[B] Remember it was you the one who ran from the debate Froth. [/B]

Really now? Because basing from the last few pages, you keep resorting to insults rather than answering the valid points I raise. As an example, I'm still waiting for you to answer why you think Thor sacrificed himself specifically for Jane when nothing in the vid you posted shows Jane being in imminent danger before Thor decided to sacrifice himself. Neither have you addressed the fact that when Steve sacrificed himself on the plane, he was in a no-win situation anyway.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
@Frothbyte

If you want to keep this argument [B] I will demand for you to take a side. Cause otherwise this isn't a debate and therefore the Tribunal is wasting it's time.

Your choice now Froth.

As per now, this case is concluded. Cap wins. [/B]

You ran Frothbyte. You proved yourself incapable of debating.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
You ran Frothbyte. You proved yourself incapable of debating.

Sigh. You're such a kid, Josh. If you ever want to get back to debating like adults let me know, I'm just here.