👆. It's pretty much how Jolt and Charcoal - during the timeframe you specified in the OP - defeated him.
Using tech from Machine Man, which cancels the gravity equation,.
How does he cancel it? By creating - you guessed it - a negative gravity current.
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/2001-8-09.jpg
IOW, Graviton has been defeated in the past by weaker opponents, who used advanced tech to reverse the polarity of gravity. Comic science, sure.
If the link doesn't work, maybe Mungi has the scan?
Originally posted by riv6672
^^^No, i’m good.This is a no prep fight, so i dont need to actually see what you’re describing, plus i have the hardcopies in my garage.
As an aside, Jolt and Charcoal were two really great characters.
True, it's a no prep fight....which is a good thing I showed Orion, mid battle, using tech to reverse the polarity of attacks being used against him.
Then there's the previous post where MBoxes were specifically used to cancel gravity out....
Sorry to sound harsh, but when the biggest arguments so far are Zack saying he believes, and, he wouldnt be surprised, then asking for proof against those statements, you’re fighting an uphill battle, as my level of dubiousness (as the guy who posed the question) has been raised accordingly.
Originally posted by riv6672
Oh, and no offense meant for the earlier ‘haha’ i thought you were kidding.
Unless you actually think those weapons are equal to Graviton’s power at the specified time.Then its ‘haha’ for a whole different reason.
Well, with these things, I usually go for two things:
The powerset, and then
The power level.
So powerset is fine. Comic science, Motherboxes can reverse polarity.
PowerLEVELS, as you point out, is a diff matter. Luke Cage has super strength, but that doesn't mean he can replicate Hulk's strength feats.
So if Motherbox's power level - her ability to deal with Graviton's level of power - is in question, am sure others who are more into New God's can showcase impressive feats of a Motherbox in terms of weaponry it can deal with.
^^I was commenting on prep.
And thanks for the responses, it’ll be interesting to come back in here and see MB wank you may have caused, if any.
Of course, that can all be countered with a mighty ‘it wouldnt surprise me’ if Graviton nerfed whatever proof’s provided, there’s precedent fir that. 😛
if only graviton had ever gone up against and soundly beat down (more than once) a herald with a plot device weapon. it would have been especially helpful if that plot device has been shown to affect both matter and gravity. too bad thta hasn't happened more than once. mmm
on a different note, when has orion ever used his motherbox to mindrape anyone....? clearly without tp, orion is phukced.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
👆. It's pretty much how Jolt and Charcoal - during the timeframe you specified in the OP - defeated him.Using tech from Machine Man, which cancels the gravity equation,.
How does he cancel it? By creating - you guessed it - a negative gravity current.
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/2001-8-09.jpg
IOW, Graviton has been defeated in the past by weaker opponents, who used advanced tech to reverse the polarity of gravity. Comic science, sure.
If the link doesn't work, maybe Mungi has the scan?
Reversing polarity isn't proof that it can completely nullify gravity. And even then... can it nullify the gravity of an entire planet? Even if Orion is to nullify the gravity in a local area, Graviton still could just lift a nearby island or city and plummet it on Orion.
Overpowering Graviton's gravity powers is not an option, imo. He's had his losses for sure -- as ive already mentioned -- but his gravity powers ranges from being unable to affect Vision's mass/density (even though he has in other encounters, easily) to subduing Earth's super heroes and lifting multiple cities more than once. So i don't think you can say with any kind of confidence that the mother box could overpower graviton in a gravity battle.
Originally posted by leonidas
on a different note, when has orion ever used his motherbox to mindrape anyone....? clearly without tp, orion is phukced.
Yes it has that's why i mentioned it as being the best viable option, imo.
Orion w/ motherbox mindwiped Hammond who's a formidable telepath: https://imgur.com/DNfSzQk
....which is effectively overpowering him. To redirect his power is to take control of the gravitational forces that Graviton is throwing at him, and then send them back.
And do you know of any instances where the mother box redirected gravitational forces, in particular? Because without that proof it's just an assumption, really.
My 'proof', whcih, admittedly, is shaky, is based on the assumption that in the very same storyline where Graviton is phucking with Marvel Earth, Jolt and Charcoal jury rigged some random parts of Machine Man, and were completely immune to his powers.
Machine Man's powers were based on his tech reversing the polarity of gravity.
Which I am confident Orion's Motherbox could do. Based on it being able to reverse polarities of attacks (apparently, in comics, that's what gravity is...).
So it's less Orion facing the same attacks, and more Graviton - this specific incarnation, and not lowballed - facing the same attack, and being defeated.
IMHO, if we have to argue that Orion would win through telepathy possibly (I think Orion has used telepathy in an offensive manner less than Thor has used matter manipulation) then that says all that needs to be said....
Originally posted by operator616
Graviton isn't a skyfather. Most of his appearances seem to be solidly at trans level though. And he's been watered down lately from what i recall.He is susceptible to telepathy and matter manipulation (if one could manipulate gravitons specifically), the mother box does have telepathic and matter manipulation abilities, unsure if it specifically has graviton manipulation though. So those could be used against him.
Otherwise Orion gets crushed obviously.
I think to do what he did in that storyline, he'd have to be a Skyfather or close to it. It might not be Skyfather in scope (I.e. he wasn't tossing Galaxies around with his gravity), but in terms of relative power, it was. Personally, I think it's way beyond Trans to accomplished what he did imo.
The Mother Box has a host of powers it has randomly displayed, but personally, I think it's far more likely, and that Graviton would effortlessly crush Orion after dismissing his Astro-Force blast more often than Orion strategies to use telepathy instead of leading wiht a frontal assault, multiple times.
