Graviton Vs Orion

Originally posted by operator616
Repulsors are electro-magnetic fields which focus ionized particles. And hardball has contained Gravity (the character who can also manipulate gravity) in... you guessed it, EM fields.

Crystal is able able to tap into the gravitational field of the earth and yet she was helpless in Graviton's grip

Wonder man has nullified anti-gravity with his ionic form iirc and yet... he has lost to Graviton several times.

That's why you have to take into account power levels and not just power sets, you're putting too much stock in that single scan of yours.

Agreed.

Hence why I said someone more au fait with Motherboxes could showcase their power levels. I've shown he is capable with the powerset, others can show power levels.

And again, all your examples are nice....but I specifically used the version as named in the OP. And THAT version was defeated by Machine Man and HIS power level. Proving you hardly need the gravitational field of the earth or whatever levels (i.e. planetary) to become completely immune to Graviton.

Originally posted by operator616
Graviton has manipulated Vision's intangible form. So intangibility is not an option either. Telepathy is the best option as ive said. At least imo.

And Orion overpowered Mogo's gravitational pull, right? And Mogo was powerful enough to affect an army of Black Lanterns.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Not sure what you mean. How he uses them?

Well, we're on the subject of 'is Orion's MB able to reverse Gravitons polarity or whatever comic book science is there, thus making Orion completely immune to his powers'.

I think on a powerset level, yes, he can, but apparently one needs to show just how powerful an MB is. And obviously there's the scans of Orion containing a bomb that could destroy the universe,but that was the AF.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well, we're on the subject of 'is Orion's MB able to reverse Gravitons polarity or whatever comic book science is there, thus making Orion completely immune to his powers'.

I think on a powerset level, yes, he can, but apparently one needs to show just how powerful an MB is. And obviously there's the scans of Orion containing a bomb that could destroy the universe,but that was the AF.

Yeah, it's separate from MB. But if we're talking scale of power, didn't a MB manipulate the entire Central Power Battery?

*shrugs* that would fit. But I'm also aware we're crossing n52 and pre.

I'm also interested in how Gravitons shields can hold up.

Originally posted by Zack M
And Orion overpowered Mogo's gravitational pull, right? And Mogo was powerful enough to affect an army of Black Lanterns.

Going by that logic, Thor has tanked blasts from the celestials and yet Graviton subdued him, just like he did to all the avengers. And without much trouble to boot.

You can see where this is going i hope -- we go by average portrayal. That's not to dismiss what you just mentioned. It's a compelling case it's just that Graviton crushing Orion is the more likely scenario.

Originally posted by operator616
Going by that logic, Thor has tanked blasts from the celestials and yet Graviton subdued him, just like he did to all the avengers. And without much trouble to boot.

You can see where this is going i hope -- we go by average portrayal. That's not to dismiss what you just mentioned. It's a compelling case it's just that Graviton crushing Orion is the more likely scenario.

But if we use averages, we then average out one high showing (Marvel Earth) with one low showing (Machine Man).

And the average is far below what you guys are selling. Because Machine Man is very very VERY much below Thor, let alone Marvel Earth.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
*shrugs* that would fit. But I'm also aware we're crossing n52 and pre.

I'm also interested in how Gravitons shields can hold up.

I thought, despite things still conflicting, the New Gods now are still the ones before FLASHPOINT, like the case for Pre-CRISIS and Post-CRISIS? But think I already saw at least one example of New 52 brought up, so figured that's what we were going with.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But if we use averages, we then average out one high showing (Marvel Earth) with one low showing (Machine Man).

And the average is far below what you guys are selling. Because Machine Man is very very VERY much below Thor, let alone Marvel Earth.

Well, you can blame riv for that. If we allow all of Graviton's showings at least it becomes clear that Graviton is above heralds...

Originally posted by Delta1938
I thought, despite things still conflicting, the New Gods now are still the ones before FLASHPOINT, like the case for Pre-CRISIS and Post-CRISIS? But think I already saw at least one example of New 52 brought up, so figured that's what we were going with.

It was actually stated in N52 that the new gods are imprevious to space/time continuum changes. Also that there are only one version of them throughout the multiverse.

Originally posted by operator616
Well, you can blame riv for that. If we allow all of Graviton's showings at least it becomes clear that Graviton is above heralds...

Allowing all of his showings also opens him up to a lot of lows too. Like Human Torch, for example.

Originally posted by operator616
It was actually stated in N52 that the new gods are imprevious to space/time continuum changes. Also that there are only one version of them throughout the multiverse.

Then we have Orion using his MB with the Central Power Battery,based on what Delta said.

So power levels are not an issue.... especially when we average Machine Man and Marvel Earth, lol.

Originally posted by operator616
Going by that logic, Thor has tanked blasts from the celestials and yet Graviton subdued him, just like he did to all the avengers. And without much trouble to boot.

You can see where this is going i hope -- we go by average portrayal. That's not to dismiss what you just mentioned. It's a compelling case it's just that Graviton crushing Orion is the more likely scenario.

Yeah, but you're comparing two different attacks. Orion specifically resisted a gravity attack by the most powerful of the green lantern corps.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Yeah, it's separate from MB. But if we're talking scale of power, didn't a MB manipulate the entire Central Power Battery?

During Darkseid War, iirc.

i'm not sure why something as deux ex machina as that machine man plan is so low to you. apparently he flies by "cancelling out the gravity equation" and he used this "cancelling gravity equation tech" to make the t-bolts immune to his direct influence (graviton was still beating the crap out of them for a while even without being able to directly influence them). i'm also not sure how you're getting "reversing polarity=cancelling gravity equation". they were made directly immune to graviton's powers. cancelling=/=reversing in any way i can see.... at best orion might be able to reverse some effects, but i don't see why he'd be immune to graviton's powers at all. and even indirectly, graviton's powers can be deadly.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Allowing all of his showings also opens him up to a lot of lows too. Like Human Torch, for example.

Then we have Orion using his MB with the Central Power Battery,based on what Delta said.

So power levels are not an issue.... especially when we average Machine Man and Marvel Earth, lol.

Yes but it also gives us a good idea of his average as opposed to the two ends of extremes. I don't think anyone would disagree he's above heralds, tbh. It was quite clear throughout his appearances. I did admit that he was watered down recently though.

Yes...but motherbox connecting to CPB is an unquantifiable showing to say the least. old school sinestro (who was considerably less powerful than current) has tapped into it as well. So did hal. Im just saying im not sure if it says anything definitive.

The motherbox actually has feats that pertain its scope being planet level, that's not the issue i had with it. I was hoping to see a feat where it specifically had a planet level gravity feat.

Originally posted by Zack M
Yeah, but you're comparing two different attacks. Orion specifically resisted a gravity attack by the most powerful of the green lantern corps.

Thor has several gravitational resisting feats if that's what you're looking for, it's just that the celestial feat is more impressive. He's resisted the gravity of a star iirc. And pulled a quinjet in close proximity with the sun.

And yet Graviton could stick him to a block of Rock like a Fly to Flypaper.

Originally posted by Zack M
And Orion overpowered Mogo's gravitational pull, right? And Mogo was powerful enough to affect an army of Black Lanterns.

Mogo pulled in GLs as well... and not all BLs were pussies. So it was pretty impressive.

Eithery way, the gravitational field exists at every point in space so the forces each of them are subjected to, are the same. So if it pulled one powerful being down, it's a testament to Mogo's power being able to pull an army down.

I think it's safe to say that New Gods, specifically Orion are around trans level in Godhead. The way they handleded Green Lanterns like canon fodders was impressive.

Originally posted by deathslash
lol, are we honestly going to act like the average black lantern was that strong? I specifically remember Batman and his family taking on multiple black lanterns with flamethrowers.

I don't recall that. Most BL needed a special attack to defeat them. White light or whatever it was called.