Graviton Vs Orion

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
breaking a shield that Mjolnir couldn't do is far above GL level lmao She should be a little above Superman, for sure

She got owned by a leviathan.

The same thing applies to her predecessor. Wendell was able to lift an entire island yet in other showings wasn't able to lift Terminus' body out of orbit. His constructs held up against a massively amped collector and nega bomb and Super-Nova yet dynamo (who is iron man level) was able to break them, so did Thing going all out iirc.

I hope this isn't anything new to you.

Magneto also casually controlled Mjolnir in Avengers books, More then once, I believe.

In his own stories, he just absorbed the magnetism.

Mjolnir should certainly be capable of affecting gravity manipulation..

Originally posted by operator616
Orion was established to be below Infinity man even back then. And he never encountered the gravi guards directly.

However, your example does have some merit in regards to Infinity Man, given that he was able to nullify their powers and IM's power source is... the source/ALE. The same power source the mother box taps into, and it has shown the capability to tap into the ALE although only in direct contact (with those mortals that had it in their heads).

It's not conclusive of anything of course but it is an interesting example worth mentioning.

And all you had to is ask. 🙂

Im assuming you are familiar with his thunderbolts feats? so i won't have to post them.

Graviton vs Avengers. Just an all around stompage fest: https://imgur.com/a/OmtIGSp

https://imgur.com/GKI0kkZ 😂

Now with thor: https://imgur.com/qLUE2bb

He also easily lifted a city-sized chunk of the earth: https://imgur.com/1zJwwCD
And put a shield which no one could pierce: https://imgur.com/4eMKAX8

Now with the WCA: https://imgur.com/a/zV6VsGe https://imgur.com/a/yWZbJXS

He was KO'd due to a drug administered to him beforehand.

again: https://imgur.com/a/Fekjn2Q

He could also control light waves, btw (which technically shouldn't be affected by gravity unless the writer had relativity taken into account which makes his gravitational powers all the more impressive): https://imgur.com/r8s7Swz

We get an idea of the extend of his powers where we see him increase his own mass/density into infinity becoming a singularity/black hole (technically he's done this multiple times but it was only this time that he did intentionally -- increased his mass to infinity -- as opposed to the other times where he simply lost control): https://imgur.com/a/DxdwiuF

Recently though he's been watered down a bit, when he re-appeared as being part of AIM's council he said that he regenerated from mere atoms: https://imgur.com/FSJjRP9

Takes apart unity squad: https://imgur.com/a/DUREk6i

Puts up a shield which avengers/unity squad couldn't break (including jane thor): https://imgur.com/a/8GKOZzm

Although naturally, Quasar (Avril) was able to break it single handedly since she has a thing for shields.

lol ninja posted me! 👆

Originally posted by leonidas
graviton does have some crazy feats which are easily checked on any respect thread. his highs are WELL beyond his lows from what i've seen, one shown where he had a head injury 😂 and the other the mm tech. but that's not the issue here. the problem with using the MB as a plot device to win is simple: what's to stop that reason from extending to ALL of orion's fights, exactly? orion v superman? pfft. orion tells MB to shoot him with constant blasts of k-nite! it could happen since all orion has to do is wish it! orion v silver surfer? pfft. MB creates a device to replicate what the stranger did to him! it is a mini-miracle machine after all! orion v gl? pfft. who cares how the fight went down. orion could have had MB create a device to drain the ring instantly, copying what a manhunter bot can do. juggs? pfft. i wish for MB to duplicate what the hammer did!

a hammer that was effortlessly stopped by graviton:

http://i.imgur.com/FNVmx7A.jpg

again, reversing polarity=/=canceling the gravity equation. utterly different. if orion tried to reverse....whatever he'd try reversing, what would stop graviton from simply reversing it back? 😕 what's orion gonna do exactly? reverse gravity on himself? how would that do anything? and his MB blast was a one-off shot. the disks mm made the t-bolts made them completely IMMUNE to his power, SUSTAINED that immunity and he STILL smacked them around.

tp could def win for orion, but he certainly doesn't use the MB that way very often. how often has he mindraped someone exactly? once? odds of that happening seem extremely low. and i'm not even sure the TP would work if he was actively shielding as in a battle. graviton can effect EM radiation too:

http://i.imgur.com/NCjlnWw.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/sMP0dDO.jpg

lots of support says tp energy is simply EM radiation, so a case could be made he could even shield from tp if the graviton side wanted to reach as far as the orion side seems to want to.

i don't think the reverse polarity scan does anything to help the orion camp, other than to display the plot device nature of the MB. but thor's hammer is as big a plot device and graviton has dismissed thor as a child multiple times already, and if you want to keep pushing the plot device nature of the MB you better have a good reason why he can't simply plot device himself to wins in ALL his forum matches. then be sure to extend thor that same courtesy. and all gl's since their rings are as plot devicey as anything out there. /shrug

Originally posted by abhilegend
Was it stated that the head injury weakened him somehow?

In the handbooks it said it made him more megalomaniac so yes it clearly messed with him.

Based on what he has done before and after that scene he clearly was not in top shape

Originally posted by leonidas
graviton does have some crazy feats which are easily checked on any respect thread. his highs are WELL beyond his lows from what i've seen, one shown where he had a head injury 😂 and the other the mm tech. but that's not the issue here. the problem with using the MB as a plot device to win is simple: what's to stop that reason from extending to ALL of orion's fights, exactly? orion v superman? pfft. orion tells MB to shoot him with constant blasts of k-nite! it could happen since all orion has to do is wish it! orion v silver surfer? pfft. MB creates a device to replicate what the stranger did to him! it is a mini-miracle machine after all! orion v gl? pfft. who cares how the fight went down. orion could have had MB create a device to drain the ring instantly, copying what a manhunter bot can do. juggs? pfft. i wish for MB to duplicate what the hammer did!

a hammer that was effortlessly stopped by graviton:

http://i.imgur.com/FNVmx7A.jpg

again, reversing polarity=/=canceling the gravity equation. utterly different. if orion tried to reverse....whatever he'd try reversing, what would stop graviton from simply reversing it back? 😕 what's orion gonna do exactly? reverse gravity on himself? how would that do anything? and his MB blast was a one-off shot. the disks mm made the t-bolts made them completely IMMUNE to his power, SUSTAINED that immunity and he STILL smacked them around.

tp could def win for orion, but he certainly doesn't use the MB that way very often. how often has he mindraped someone exactly? once? odds of that happening seem extremely low. and i'm not even sure the TP would work if he was actively shielding as in a battle. graviton can effect EM radiation too:

http://i.imgur.com/NCjlnWw.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/sMP0dDO.jpg

lots of support says tp energy is simply EM radiation, so a case could be made he could even shield from tp if the graviton side wanted to reach as far as the orion side seems to want to.

i don't think the reverse polarity scan does anything to help the orion camp, other than to display the plot device nature of the MB. but thor's hammer is as big a plot device and graviton has dismissed thor as a child multiple times already, and if you want to keep pushing the plot device nature of the MB you better have a good reason why he can't simply plot device himself to wins in ALL his forum matches. then be sure to extend thor that same courtesy. and all gl's since their rings are as plot devicey as anything out there. /shrug

Or this.

Originally posted by leonidas
graviton does have some crazy feats which are easily checked on any respect thread. his highs are WELL beyond his lows from what i've seen, one shown where he had a head injury 😂 and the other the mm tech. but that's not the issue here. the problem with using the MB as a plot device to win is simple: what's to stop that reason from extending to ALL of orion's fights, exactly? orion v superman? pfft. orion tells MB to shoot him with constant blasts of k-nite! it could happen since all orion has to do is wish it! orion v silver surfer? pfft. MB creates a device to replicate what the stranger did to him! it is a mini-miracle machine after all! orion v gl? pfft. who cares how the fight went down. orion could have had MB create a device to drain the ring instantly, copying what a manhunter bot can do. juggs? pfft. i wish for MB to duplicate what the hammer did!

a hammer that was effortlessly stopped by graviton:

http://i.imgur.com/FNVmx7A.jpg

again, reversing polarity=/=canceling the gravity equation. utterly different. if orion tried to reverse....whatever he'd try reversing, what would stop graviton from simply reversing it back? 😕 what's orion gonna do exactly? reverse gravity on himself? how would that do anything? and his MB blast was a one-off shot. the disks mm made the t-bolts made them completely IMMUNE to his power, SUSTAINED that immunity and he STILL smacked them around.

tp could def win for orion, but he certainly doesn't use the MB that way very often. how often has he mindraped someone exactly? once? odds of that happening seem extremely low. and i'm not even sure the TP would work if he was actively shielding as in a battle. graviton can effect EM radiation too:

http://i.imgur.com/NCjlnWw.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/sMP0dDO.jpg

lots of support says tp energy is simply EM radiation, so a case could be made he could even shield from tp if the graviton side wanted to reach as far as the orion side seems to want to.

i don't think the reverse polarity scan does anything to help the orion camp, other than to display the plot device nature of the MB. but thor's hammer is as big a plot device and graviton has dismissed thor as a child multiple times already, and if you want to keep pushing the plot device nature of the MB you better have a good reason why he can't simply plot device himself to wins in ALL his forum matches. then be sure to extend thor that same courtesy. and all gl's since their rings are as plot devicey as anything out there. /shrug

Good post. The only thing id like to point out that Synapse (who is a city level telepath) was able to phuck with Graviton's mind. That's why i initially said that TP could be an option (especially with the MB being able to mind wipe hammond and send him packing).

Originally posted by abhilegend
So should I start posting Orion's high feats now? Or is the circlejerk for Graviton still not over?

Originally posted by -K-M-
In the handbooks it said it made him more megalomaniac so yes it clearly messed with him.

Based on what he has done before and after that scene he clearly was not in top shape

I take it you don't have anything confirming he was weakened.

Because Orion high end feats supposedly better than Graviton's right

Originally posted by abhilegend
If you want to go by his performance, he would always be weakened anytime he doesn't beats every hero on earth.

I take it you don't have anything confirming he was weakened.

Most of his loses were through a plot device. Nor does his low showings outweigh his high or even come close to it. Should we just go by the thunderbolt showing? No. His power level is somewhere in between

He was. Read the story. His entire personality and abilities were downgraded. Proven before and after this instance

So the head wound severed no point in your opinion then just having an artistic spin?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Was it stated that the head injury weakened him somehow?

Was it stated somewhere that brain damage would weaken Graviton? 😂

You literally ruin threads with your stupidity. There was far more activity and diversity in the last few days than I've seen in a while. Correlation doesn't equal causation but I think Bada should ban you again to verify.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
To beat Graviton, Orion would have to utilize the astro force. He would have to go high end astro force usage. I don't subscribe to him just teching his way for a win. That whole thing with machine man was so plot deviceyy... Orion would go blasting the shiet out of Graviton 90 percent of the time before he even thinks of "turning off" graviton's powers.
In any case, he does have some astro force feats that punch out of his perceived weight class. This is a war of attrition.

I'd take Orion by a smidgen.
1. He has the plot device gear. Not something he will go use 99 out of 100, but at least it's an avenue for him no matter how unlikely.
2. He has the durability to withstand Graviton's power(at least for a time). Orion is one of the toughest sobs in dc outside of Superman. I'd bet on him surviving crazy pressure before he starts really unleashing.
3. He has powered through gravity manipulation by a sentient GL planet while tooling the top GL.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-bQ1-Lpt2584/VDC-PXaqErI/AAAAAAAFIuo/LNdmnTVHZJk/s1600/p16_25%2Bcopy.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-QIu4mw04T0w/VDC-QoBehfI/AAAAAAAFIuw/f4AkmnjztD8/s1600/p16_26%2Bcopy.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YZYmz9U0I5I/VDC-Q65rAqI/AAAAAAAFIu0/k-nb8Y2uEAk/s1600/p16_27%2Bcopy.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-NbwOdil7dXM/VDC-RgHvP_I/AAAAAAAFIu8/H-j99XvTHj0/s1600/p16_28%2Bcopy.jpg

4. He has the feats to contend with ridic power the level that Graviton has.

Causing planetwide destruction on Apokolips.
https://imgur.com/a/o6RLb

Side effect of his attack on a Khund ship was threating to tear earth apart.
http://i.imgur.com/kCnAkcW.jpg
https://imgur.com/a/OWjSv

Contains oblivion bomb.
https://imgur.com/a/lZ0yn
http://i.imgur.com/w1VTaZp.jpg

Originally posted by -K-M-
Most of his loses were through a plot device. Nor does his low showings outweigh his high or even come close to it. Should we just go by the thunderbolt showing? No. His power level is somewhere in between

How about no? Most of his defeats aren't plot device by nature. Human Torch and Thing straight up beat him for example.

He was. Read the story. His entire personality and abilities were downgraded. Proven before and after this instance

So the head wound severed no point in your opinion then just having an artistic spin?

You made the claim he was weakened, why are you trying me to prove you wrong instead of posting the proof for the same?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Was it stated somewhere that brain damage would weaken Graviton? 😂

You literally ruin threads with your stupidity. There was far more activity and diversity in the last few days than I've seen in a while. Correlation doesn't equal causation but I think Bada should ban you again to verify.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He was in a mentally damaged condition, he wasn't running around with a head injury.

You're the one who said head injury bud.

Originally posted by Damborgson
You're the one who said head injury bud.

Originally posted by abhilegend
How about no? Most of his defeats aren't plot device by nature. Human Torch and Thing straight up beat him for example.

You made the claim he was weakened, why are you trying me to prove you wrong instead of posting the proof for the same?

Oh? What other examples?

Because head injury and his mental state changing is a strong indication, yeah. He was weakened and not himself. Which again was hammered down our throats later on in iron man

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
It's a power for power struggle.

I'd take Orion by a smidgen.
1. He has the plot device gear. Not something he will go use 99 out of 100, but at least it's an avenue for him no matter how unlikely.
2. He has the durability to withstand Graviton's power(at least for a time). Orion is one of the toughest sobs in dc outside of Superman. I'd bet on him surviving crazy pressure before he starts really unleashing.
3. He has powered through gravity manipulation by a sentient GL planet while tooling the top GL.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-bQ1-Lpt2584/VDC-PXaqErI/AAAAAAAFIuo/LNdmnTVHZJk/s1600/p16_25%2Bcopy.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-QIu4mw04T0w/VDC-QoBehfI/AAAAAAAFIuw/f4AkmnjztD8/s1600/p16_26%2Bcopy.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YZYmz9U0I5I/VDC-Q65rAqI/AAAAAAAFIu0/k-nb8Y2uEAk/s1600/p16_27%2Bcopy.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-NbwOdil7dXM/VDC-RgHvP_I/AAAAAAAFIu8/H-j99XvTHj0/s1600/p16_28%2Bcopy.jpg

4. He has the feats to contend with ridic power the level that Graviton has.

Causing planetwide destruction on Apokolips.
https://imgur.com/a/o6RLb

Side effect of his attack on a Khund ship was threating to tear earth apart.
http://i.imgur.com/kCnAkcW.jpg
https://imgur.com/a/OWjSv

Contains oblivion bomb.
https://imgur.com/a/lZ0yn
http://i.imgur.com/w1VTaZp.jpg

Good job. That's What I've been saying. Current Orion isn't top tier, imo. Not after Godhead. Godhead established and even right out stayed that the New Gods were the most powerful in the Multiverse.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Oh? What other examples?

Because head injury and his mental state changing is a strong indication, yeah. He was weakened and not himself. Which again was hammered down our throats later on in iron man