Gladiator Vs Lobo

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
During Bryne's Era, Superman was nowhere near that powerful to actually accomplish a feat like that, He powered up later, following his 'death' at the hands of Doomsday.

.. due to his mental state and self belief, as the DoS aftermath make 100% clear in Adventures 500 per PA Kent, and which Jurgens went out of his way to make clear again time and time again, including in Infinite Crisis. with a stronger more confident midnset, Post Crisis Superman beats DD clealn, as is stronger than ever.

Byrne is the guy who started that concept Post Crisis. Subtextually, Post Crisis Superman IS the Pre Crisis Superman, albeit with a self limited humanized mindset due to having his history altered and born on Earth and raised among humans.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
..Well yeah that's what happens when every hero stops holding back...

So.. just lying, then.

Prove that exact claim, then.

Superman entire powerset was changed. He doesnt have that psi field anymore or the telekinetic ability anymore. With that said, your scans are irrelevant.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman entire powerset was changed. He doesnt have that psi field anymore or the telekinetic ability anymore. With that said, your scans are irrelevant.

Please come here and say yes or no:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t653828.html

Originally posted by carver9
Superman entire powerset was changed. He doesnt have that psi field anymore or the telekinetic ability anymore. With that said, your scans are irrelevant.

I dont care about your fabrications, like I said before. Every single one of the events is 10% canon. Period.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman entire powerset was changed. He doesnt have that psi field anymore or the telekinetic ability anymore. With that said, your scans are irrelevant.

Yet Superboy still had TTK.

A clone of Superman.

Originally posted by panthergod
Byrne, the creator of the Post-Crisis Superman:

Superman's power-level is detemined by his Force of Will:

Superman's powerlevels go down and up again due to his mind:

Wolfman and Ordway

While unconscious he's invulnerable, while awake(with amnesia thus forgetting his powers) he goes down to being hurt by firel:

Superman's holding back factor is not simple him pulling his punches, when he access his internal powers he gets more durable, etc.

He regains his power-levels-- due to beleieving he's mroe powerful thanks to Darkseid;s mental influence:

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/MentalRegulations1.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/MentalRegulations2.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/MentalRegulations3.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/MentalRegulations4.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/MentalRegulations5.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/MentalRegulations6.jpg

Except...that explanation is locked in with Byrne's idea that Superman's powers were based on his aura or something, and that he had a force field, etc, etc. But after Death of Superman, there was weird shit involving him absorbing more sunlight, growing into this monster-sized version of himself, assimulating that power or something something, and getting more and more powerful until he was the 'Post Crisis' level with which we are familiar.

Byrne's idea for the source of his power was basically dropped like a hot potato.

Also, it didn't really jibe with Clark's performance during Death of Superman, where he and Doomsday were going all-out, and Clark decided to stop holding back, and their clash did all of break all the windows for blocks around and make a small crater in the ground. Also, before his 'powerup' Clark needed to hold his breath in space. Afterward? Nope.

Basically, Superman wasn't nearly as powerful back then.

Basically, if one wants to use Byrne's Superman, one needs to say 'okay, this is Byrne's Superman only', because it doesn't match with the rest of post Crisis.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Except...that explanation is locked in with Byrne's idea that Superman's powers were based on his aura or something, and that he had a force field, etc, etc. But after Death of Superman, there was weird shit involving him absorbing more sunlight, growing into this monster-sized version of himself, assimulating that power or something something, and getting more and more powerful until he was the 'Post Crisis' level with which we are familiar.

Byrne's idea for the source of his power was basically dropped like a hot potato.

Also, it didn't really jibe with Clark's performance during Death of Superman, where he and Doomsday were going all-out, and Clark decided to stop holding back, and their clash did all of break all the windows for blocks around and make a small crater in the ground. Also, before his 'powerup' Clark needed to hold his breath in space. Afterward? Nope.

Basically, Superman wasn't nearly as powerful back then.

Basically, if one wants to use Byrne's Superman, one needs to say 'okay, this is Byrne's Superman only', because it doesn't match with the rest of post Crisis.

lol, so ignore the facts... because YOU say so..?

Bwaahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaa!

Nothing I'm claiming is up for dispute. EVERYTHING about how Byrne wrote and portrayed Superman's powerset is relevant and canon.... Period. Byrne's described Superman's mental aspect strength as TK, others emphasized more subconscious muscle-control. the feats on panel are canon, period. TK has been apart of Superman's powerset since the Golden Age.

Doomsday was explicitly the most physically powerful being Superman had ever fought up to that point in Post Crisis history. area of attack, collateral damage, all that is IRRELEVANT, as actual literate people who read comics comprehend.

Did Galactus and In Betweener even cause city wide damage?

I guess Thor can beat them.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
facepalm

Lol backed into a corner. Again u are trying to salvage the unsalvageable. I know he's ure boyfriend and all , but It's a sinking ship. Might as well continue to argue that Supergirl went into a black hole for the hell of it then came out.

U are arguing about the minutiae of whether the planets had 0 mass? The fact of the matter is mass/gravity was neutralized.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I'm really legit curious as to how people interpret that scene. For years that feat has been peddled by Abhi as a holy shiet type of feat. He brings it out every now and then and some people go oooh ahhh (w/some ejaculation involved) because he usually presents it simply as Superman literally tugging a huge ship, along with the earth/moon system.

Maybe it's just me, but the way it was presented, it ranks up there with the classic non feats. Maybe the best fans can hope for is that Byrne Supes survived a space warp while tugging something "sort of heavy"?

You don't get a middle ground. Make up your mind idiot.

Originally posted by panthergod
lol, so ignore the facts... because YOU say so..?

Bwaahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaa!

Nothing I'm claiming is up for dispute. EVERYTHING about how Byrne wrote and portrayed Superman's powerset is relevant and canon.... Period. Byrne's described Superman's mental aspect strength as TK, others emphasized more subconscious muscle-control. the feats on panel are canon, period. TK has been apart of Superman's powerset since the Golden Age.

Doomsday was explicitly the most physically powerful being Superman had ever fought up to that point in Post Crisis history. area of attack, collateral damage, all that is IRRELEVANT, as actual literate people who read comics comprehend.

which all was retconned, please stop posting outdated scans. it's not...relevant.. anymore.

Originally posted by carver9
This is retarded. Superman admits he cant move worlds but ABHI is neglecting common sense. Let it been Thor saying this or Surfer, ABHI would ride that statement until the end of KMC existence. He's a hypocrite.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
which all was retconned, please stop posting outdated scans. it's not...relevant.. anymore.

I don't give a sh!t about your fan-fiction, son.

The comics-- and the author-- speak for themselves. Period. You're wrong. Get over it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Either the whole mass of the ship, planet or the moon was nullified (for which you still have to post a proof) or none of it was nullified.

You don't get a middle ground. Make up your mind idiot.

What gets me is this insatiable need to make this into a feat. I'm not sure whether chromosomes are missing which prevents logical thinking or there's a disease that prevents the normal ability to process information.

If none, one would have to be in complete denial of certain facts presented, the overall tone of the book, and an utter disregard for basic common sense.

Originally posted by panthergod
.. due to his mental state and self belief, as the DoS aftermath make 100% clear in Adventures 500 per PA Kent, and which Jurgens went out of his way to make clear again time and time again, including in Infinite Crisis. with a stronger more confident midnset, Post Crisis Superman beats DD clealn, as is stronger than ever.

Byrne is the guy who started that concept Post Crisis. Subtextually, Post Crisis Superman IS the Pre Crisis Superman, albeit with a self limited humanized mindset due to having his history altered and born on Earth and raised among humans.

None of which jibes with an entire arc of Clark's story being that Clark absorbed all kinds of radiation from the Eradicator in Return of Superman and started getting weird with his powers and body, ending with him becoming the Post-Crisis guy we all know and love. Who was that much stronger than he was in the Byrne era and, yeah, being capable of beating Doomsday.

And that business of him having an 'Aura' being dropped like a hot potato.

And there is a HUGE difference between Telekinesis and 'just being that strong', or 'subconscious muscle control'.

The feats might be canon, but so is Spider-man beating up Firelord, to just pick one example from out there.

Do I agree that Superman - Clark - suppresses himself and holds back?

Sure.

But the much, much weaker Byrne era version, whose big, 'I'm not holding back!' punches against Doomsday made a modest crater in the ground, who received an explicit powerup on-panel to become the more powerful Post-crisis version of himself, does it make sense for that early Byrne version to be towing around the world, something that AFTER his power-up Post Crisis Superman had to work his ass off to do?

No, no it don't.

Originally posted by panthergod
I don't give a sh!t about your fan-fiction, son.

The comics-- and the author-- speak for themselves. Period. You're wrong. Get over it.

Actually, you're always wrong

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Says who, U? 😂

And the comic.

What gets me is this insatiable need to make this into a feat. I'm not sure whether chromosomes are missing which prevents logical thinking or there's a disease that prevents the normal ability to process information.

If none, one would have to be in complete denial of certain facts presented, the overall tone of the book, and an utter disregard for basic common sense.

I'll take your concession again.

Lol @ "need to make a feat". It's already a feat Thorbag, it doesn't needs your approval.

Congratulations, the board just got dumber.

Originally posted by panthergod
All you're proven is that you don't read Superman comics, or are a hilariously poor reader. And that's ok.

Yes, This scene was meant to display Earth-Moon system power via implication. It's laughable that people are still pretending.