Originally posted by celeyhyga17👆
Says who, U? 😂What gets me is this insatiable need to make this into a feat. I'm not sure whether chromosomes are missing which prevents logical thinking or there's a disease that prevents the normal ability to process information.
If none, one would have to be in complete denial of certain facts presented, the overall tone of the book, and an utter disregard for basic common sense.
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
during the Denny O'NerNone of which jibes with an entire arc of Clark's story being that Clark absorbed all kinds of radiation from the Eradicator in Return of Superman and started getting weird with his powers and body, ending with him becoming the Post-Crisis guy we all know and love. Who was that much stronger than he was in the Byrne era and, yeah, being capable of beating Doomsday.
It has nothing to do with any of that, and isn't a contradiction in the least whatsoever. Superman arguably lost the Kryptonite X power up when he was transmuted into Electric Supes. Hence Waid portraying him as sub lightspeed in flght and Loeb establishing that he had to relearn to access FTL flight and surviving in space post Mongul training.
If you pay attention, one of the side effects of that increased energy input was visible HV blasts. Byrne himself also established that he would represent a substantial increase from his standard levels at that time for him to manifest his HV at that level. -- Superman post Mongult raining was able to replicate the effects oft he Kryonite X powerup-- via mentally access his suppressed power, ability again highlighted post Byrne's run in Post Crisis continuity PRE-DoS called red Glass, which established that Superman was potentially far above top tier, a peer of Darkseid, capable of easily killing top tiers if he cut loose. DoS' culmination and later Loeb/DeMAtthies/Casey /Schultz/Kelly/Berganza No Limits-OWAW saga was a continuation of that long running subplot.
And that business of him having an 'Aura' being dropped like a hot potato.
Explicit lie. Superman's E-M aura was referenced in his Secret Files AFTER the Kryptonite X arc ended, after he was turned to Electro Blue and was restored to his original form
It was also referenced by Rick Veitch post Birthright in his Question series in 2005.
Superman's energy aura aspect did not original with John Byrne. It was in play at least as early as the 70s during Denny ONeil's run(the current New Superman Kenan Kong's abilties are derived from that storyline-- Superman's power level is connected to his energy aura). Byrne flat out said he was referencing established Pre-Crisis canon when he established Superman's dynamic aspect.
And there is a HUGE difference between Telekinesis and 'just being that strong', or 'subconscious muscle control'.
The feats might be canon, but so is Spider-man beating up Firelord, to just pick one example from out there.
Do I agree that Superman - Clark - suppresses himself and holds back?Sure.
But the much, much weaker Byrne era version, whose big, 'I'm not holding back!' punches against Doomsday made a modest crater in the ground, who received an explicit powerup on-panel to become the more powerful Post-crisis version of himself, does it make sense for that early Byrne version to be towing around the world, something that AFTER his power-up Post Crisis Superman had to work his ass off to do?
No, no it don't.
Yes, it does. Because per Byrne, his mind 'allowed' him to access that power subconsciously. this ability has been referenced many times for years since, including by Jurgens, Loeb, Casey, Schultz, Kelly, Rucka, Johns, Busiek, Robinson, and now Tomasi.
You don't know what you're talking about and are arguing against the comics using your anti Superman fan fiction that his proven abilities don't count because YOU say so. Well.. f*ck your say so. the comics>>>> you lies. Every time.
Originally posted by panthergod
It has nothing to do with any of that, and isn't a contradiction in the least whatsoever. Superman arguably lost the Kryptonite X power up when he was transmuted into Electric Supes. Hence Waid portraying him as sub lightspeed in flght and Loeb establishing that he had to relearn to access FTL flight and surviving in space post Mongul training.If you pay attention, one of the side effects of that increased energy input was visible HV blasts. Byrne himself also established that he would represent a substantial increase from his standard levels at that time for him to manifest his HV at that level. -- Superman post Mongult raining was able to replicate the effects oft he Kryonite X powerup-- via mentally access his suppressed power, ability again highlighted post Byrne's run in Post Crisis continuity PRE-DoS called red Glass, which established that Superman was potentially far above top tier, a peer of Darkseid, capable of easily killing top tiers if he cut loose. DoS' culmination and later Loeb/DeMAtthies/Casey /Schultz/Kelly/Berganza No Limits-OWAW saga was a continuation of that long running subplot.
Explicit lie. Superman's E-M aura was referenced in his Secret Files AFTER the Kryptonite X arc ended, after he was turned to Electro Blue and was restored to his original form
It was also referenced by Rick Veitch post Birthright in his Question series in 2005.
Superman's energy aura aspect did not original with John Byrne. It was in play at least as early as the 70s during Denny ONeil's run(the current New Superman Kenan Kong's abilties are derived from that storyline-- Superman's power level is connected to his energy aura). Byrne flat out said he was referencing established Pre-Crisis canon when he established Superman's dynamic aspect.
irrelevant. both explanations are canon, and reflecting overlapping portrayals of his powerset establised since the 1960s. DC didn't explicitly called Superman's dynamic power TK in comics. It was alluded to, and various writers had overlapping portrayals of how this ability works
Yeah, stop bullshitting son.
Yes, it does. Because per Byrne, his mind 'allowed' him to access that power subconsciously. this ability has been referenced many times for years since, including by Jurgens, Loeb, Casey, Schultz, Kelly, Rucka, Johns, Busiek, Robinson, and now Tomasi.
You don't know what you're talking about and are arguing against the comics using your anti Superman fan fiction that his proven abilities don't count because YOU say so. Well.. f*ck your say so. the comics>>>> you lies. Every time.
all gibberish with zero facts provided. The aura doesn't exist, period. in the modern continuity anymore, haven't been referenced ever since.
Originally posted by carver9
Dont know why he keeps referencing scenes and quotes from when Superman had the bio force field. It is gone and doesnt have a thing to do with the character anymore.
Because the feat that's being looked at was from that time period, and panthergod was asked SPECIFICALLY about that time period?