Originally posted by Darth Thor
Honestly until they have the balls to move away from X-Wings, Star Destroyers, Death Stars and even Stormtroopers, its all going to basically be the same old.
That's a problem Star Wars has always had: For the most part, it's incredibly shallow. The problem is that it's almost necessary. If you don't have one of the Jedi, Sith, Stormtroopers or Mandalorians, people are going to complain. They won't watch it.
Originally posted by -Pr-
That's a problem Star Wars has always had: For the most part, it's incredibly shallow. The problem is that it's almost necessary. If you don't have one of the Jedi, Sith, Stormtroopers or Mandalorians, people are going to complain. They won't watch it.
I dunno. They watched Phantom Menace. I know not the best received, but still tried completely knew things and added a load of lore to the franchise.
And not an X-Wing, SD or Stormtrooper in sight. Of course it began to look more like the OT as they got to ROTS, but that was a natural progression going more towards the OT.
But to be fair that was Lucas speciality. And Disney paid too much money to take big risks like that. TFA made 2billion from Nostaliga and Rogue One another Billion.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
I dunno. They watched Phantom Menace. I know not the best received, but still tried completely knew things and added a load of lore to the franchise.And not an X-Wing, SD or Stormtrooper in sight. Of course it began to look more like the OT as they got to ROTS, but that was a natural progression going more towards the OT.
But to be fair that was Lucas speciality. And Disney paid too much money to take big risks like that. TFA made 2billion from Nostaliga and Rogue One another Billion.
I meant that you need at least one of those if you want to make a big star wars movie, and TPM was chock full of Jedi and Sith goodness.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I meant that you need at least one of those if you want to make a big star wars movie, and TPM was chock full of Jedi and Sith goodness.
Well yeah. But it was very different to what we got in the OT.
And lets face it, if theres nothing familiar at all (like not even Lightsabers), then it would be Star Wars by name only. But theres plenty of room between those 2 extremes.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well yeah. But it was very different to what we got in the OT.And lets face it, if theres nothing familiar at all (like not even Lightsabers), then it would be Star Wars by name only. But theres plenty of room between those 2 extremes.
As different as it might have been, it was still under that umbrella. For a franchise of its size, it needs, imo, to branch out more. We still should get movies about Jedi and Sith and Stormtroopers and Bounty Hunters, sure, but they need to add to that.
I don't for one second think that there's actual SW fatigue. There's "shitting on the fandom by making subpar movies" fatigue.
They need to be as flexible as the MCU or we're still going to be complaining about Kennedy a decade from now.
Originally posted by Kazenji
Pretty much, Even tho us hardcore Star Wars fan base knows there's more to Star wars then that stuff.
Well, there was. But then they went and ****ing deleted the EU.
Originally posted by -Pr-Well, there was. But then they went and ****ing deleted the EU.
I still have no clue why they did this and yet allowed Legends material to still be produced.
Granted it was just 1 Marvel comic to celebration the old SW anniversary...but even so and TOR is still going on.
They could have easily done a sort of Ultimate Universe like Marvel had and let writers continue to write for Legends or the Current Canon.
I mean hell that's actually more money for them.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Well, there was. But then they went and ****ing deleted the EU.
Doesn't mean it's entirely gone, ffs.
It just "doesn't count", whatever it means.
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I'm gonna be a devil's advocate and say what Galan said --- at least it "normalized" the canon hierarchy --- either something's canon or it's not, unlike before with several different types of canon. That was crazy.
I wasn't a fan of the 'levels of canon' concept in the old EU.
If a video game said the sky is blue, an RPG guidebook said it was red, a comic said it was green, a junior novel said it was purple, and the entry on the back of an action figure said it was orange, you'd have to defer to the EU canonicity spreadsheet to figure out what was the 'more' valid/canon info to go by. Sometimes it was a royal pain in the ass, imo.
Now the mythos has been consolidated, and all material falls under the same umbrella of canon... So if something happens in a comic, for example, it holds just as much weight as the films(good or bad.)
Some people aren't a fan of that and I totally understand why, but I prefer it for the most part. Of course contradictions within canon will still occur, though... That's been a thing ever since the EU was invented, and it'll never be perfectly streamlined. There's just WAY too many moving parts in the SW galaxy for everything to be 100% cohesive.
Originally posted by Galan007
I wasn't a fan of the 'levels of canon' concept in the old EU.If a video game said the sky is blue, an RPG guidebook said it was red, a comic said it was green, a junior novel said it was purple, and the entry on the back of an action figure said it was orange, you'd have to defer to the EU canonicity spreadsheet to figure out what was the 'more' valid/canon info to go by. Sometimes it was a royal pain in the ass, imo.
Now the mythos has been consolidated, and all material falls under the same umbrella of canon... So if something happens in a comic, for example, it holds just as much weight as the films(good or bad.)
Some people aren't a fan of that and I totally understand why, but I prefer it for the most part. Of course contradictions within canon will still occur, though... That's been a thing ever since the EU was invented, and it'll never be perfectly streamlined. There's just WAY too many moving parts in the SW galaxy for everything to be 100% cohesive.
I preferred the old system about 1,000 times more than the current system. It added a level of rigor that helped resolve issues and contradictions that often arose from multiple writers.
Now, it's just a pile of crap. Just scooped it all and threw it all into one pile.
But they believe that the new canon is done "better" so that all stuff published after 2014 (except the exceptions list) will adhere to a rigorous canon-checking-system to ensure continuity and free themselves of contradictions.
Maybe.
Any massive contradictions after they threw out Chee's system?
Yeah, I understand why some of you guys don't like the "everything is canon" system. It certainly has its drawbacks, no argument there.
And no, inconsistencies definitely pop-up in the current system. Imo, they do a great job keeping things as cohesive as possible and expanding on existing stories without flagrantly contradicting them, but discrepancies still slip through the cracks here and there. Always have, always will.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Perfect sense, huh?That why it was impossible to discuss it? 😛
Impossible to discuss? Why do you say this? It was fairly simple.
Originally posted by Galan007
I wasn't a fan of the 'levels of canon' concept in the old EU.If a video game said the sky is blue, an RPG guidebook said it was red, a comic said it was green, a junior novel said it was purple, and the entry on the back of an action figure said it was orange, you'd have to defer to the EU canonicity spreadsheet to figure out what was the 'more' valid/canon info to go by. Sometimes it was a royal pain in the ass, imo.
But it wasn't that complex. There were really only three important levels: G-Canon, T-Canon, and C-Canon. And it was usually quite obvious which was which.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I preferred the old system about 1,000 times more than the current system. It added a level of rigor that helped resolve issues and contradictions that often arose from multiple writers.Now, it's just a pile of crap. Just scooped it all and threw it all into one pile.?
Agreed.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Doesn't mean it's entirely gone, ffs.It just "doesn't count", whatever it means.
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I'm gonna be a devil's advocate and say what Galan said --- at least it "normalized" the canon hierarchy --- either something's canon or it's not, unlike before with several different types of canon. That was crazy.
The lack of new stuff saddens me, though.
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I don't like either system of canon, tbh, but that's me.