Originally posted by deathslash
1. You're going off of singular feats. Look at the overall picture and he becomes significantly less impressive.2. Didn't he get the shit beat out of him by by Hal even when he was significantly amped? Not impressive at all.
3. Most of the showings that I've seen from him this far also include a fair amount of help/context.
Yeah, Hal has been amped, so Zod owning Hal was pretty impressive. Why isn't impressive that he owned Hank?
Originally posted by Zack Mis beating down Hank impressive? Yes. Is it a feat that now defines how powerful Zod is? No.
Yeah, Hal has been amped, so Zod owning Hal was pretty impressive. Why isn't impressive that he owned Hank?
We go off of averages here, not high end showings. If we go off of high end showings and use them as the baseline for characters, suddenly Spider-Man is an actual threat to Supergirl. Seriously, I feel like I have to remind of this time and time again.
Originally posted by deathslash
is beating down Hank impressive? Yes. Is it a feat that now defines how powerful Zod is? No.We go off of averages here, not high end showings. If we go off of high end showings and use them as the baseline for characters, suddenly Spider-Man is an actual threat to Supergirl. Seriously, I feel like I have to remind of this time and time again.
True words. High end arguments is what dumb ass Death Battle videos do lol.
Originally posted by CadenceV2👆 In addition to throwing in alternate realities and occasionally making faulty arguments. That's not to say that they're wrong about everything, but going only with high end feats often significantly stacks a fight in the favor of one character.
True words. High end arguments is what dumb ass Death Battle videos do lol.
Originally posted by deathslash
is beating down Hank impressive? Yes. Is it a feat that now defines how powerful Zod is? No.We go off of averages here, not high end showings. If we go off of high end showings and use them as the baseline for characters, suddenly Spider-Man is an actual threat to Supergirl. Seriously, I feel like I have to remind of this time and time again.
It's just not Hank, though. His current average is pretty high with Hal and all.
Originally posted by CadenceV2
They stand up very well. Zod is weaker than Superman overall by feats and win loss streak. So is Supergirl, Power Girl. All Kryptonians. Not to mention the different feat scales of Silver Age Superman vs Post Crisis Superman vs New 52 Superman vs Rebirth Superman.So yes, depends which versions and which Kryptonians you speak of. Superman > any other Kryptnonian including Zod and most versions of Superman/Supergirl/Powergirl/Supergirl arr different anyway from the last versions.
Unless your a DC fanboy, then yeah, my argument is indeed piss poor.
Even New 52 Supergirl has feats better than that.
I think Supergirl was getting an early push, but her typical strength portrayal seems to have settled to a lower level than when she was able to manhandle the league.
Again, it's weird that she doesn't seem to get credited with the same degree of dynamic power that Superman does. Nor do other Kryptonians.
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, it doesn't match with either post crisis or new 52 kryptonians. Post crisis Supergirl has outright destroyed moons solo, one handed choked out J'onn.Even New 52 Supergirl has feats better than that.
Not sure why Moon level is overly impressive. Supreme busts planets and tetonic plates and Omni Man match him fine. Mark and two other Viltrumites full body lightseed through a denser than earth planet to bust it, which is better than busting a moon which is only 1/82 earth in mass and density.
So yeah, while DC comics have more comics and more feats, Invincile and Skybound characters have incredible level feats and unlike inconsistent DC comics with 60 years of contradicting feats, Skybound characters have 300 comics only worth of consistent feats.
So I disagree.
Originally posted by abhilegendlol at manhandling Manhunter being impressive. He's like the DC version Rhino. He almost got killed by Midnight or ffs.
No, it doesn't match with either post crisis or new 52 kryptonians. Post crisis Supergirl has outright destroyed moons solo, one handed choked out J'onn.Even New 52 Supergirl has feats better than that.
Originally posted by CadenceV2
Not sure why Moon level is overly impressive. Supreme busts planets and tetonic plates and Omni Man match him fine. Mark and two other Viltrumites full body lightseed through a denser than earth planet to bust it, which is better than busting a moon which is only 1/82 earth in mass and density.
By matching feats Supergirl matched Lobo who pulls suns from sky, tank supernovas and black holes and threeshotted Ultraman who survived destruction of his whole universe.
Space Racer had destabilized the core of the planet otherwise the vulturmites would have died on impact.
So yeah, while DC comics have more comics and more feats, Invincile and Skybound characters have incredible level feats and unlike inconsistent DC comics with 60 years of contradicting feats, Skybound characters have 300 comics only worth of consistent feats.
So I disagree.
Kryptonians are rather more consistent than that.
Originally posted by deathslash
lol at manhandling Manhunter being impressive. He's like the DC version Rhino. He almost got killed by Midnight or ffs.
Lol MM didn't even want to fight Midnighter, dummy. Plus, Midnighter has the ability to see weak points, and he still failed. When MM was serious, he mind wiped him and the rest of Stormwatch. Don't leave out the details, sport.
Originally posted by abhilegend
J'onn has legitimate strength feats like helping to move the earth and has gone toe to toe with Captain Marvel and Triumph.
Toe to toe, nothing. He damn near beat Triumph within an inch of his life. 🙂
Add to that, taking out Mon-El with a good sucker punch. Even for a cheap shot, you generally need to be in someone else's ballpark for it to result in a KO/injury.
Originally posted by abhilegend
By matching feats Supergirl matched Lobo who pulls suns from sky, tank supernovas and black holes and threeshotted Ultraman who survived destruction of his whole universe.Space Racer had destabilized the core of the planet otherwise the vulturmites would have died on impact.
Kryptonians are rather more consistent than that.
The Core was destabilized yes. Only due to they "May" die on impact not that would happen for sure. Also the core was on a planet denser than earth by bio. So theres that to consider too.
As for Lobo, never seen him move stars. Tanking Supernovas and blackholes mean little when he has immortality. So why bring him up in discussion with Zod is beyond me. Ultraman was also not much to bring up, he survive destruction of his universe, yet he is only moon level in strength and durability.
So i dont see how relevenat these feats are overall when discussing Zod, Superman's inferior, beating Thragg who is Invincible/Omni Man's superior.
Originally posted by CadenceV2
The Core was destabilized yes. Only due to they "May" die on impact not that would happen for sure. Also the core was on a planet denser than earth by bio. So theres that to consider too.
Right, and they were to die hitting the core if not destabilized.
As for Lobo, never seen him move stars. Tanking Supernovas and blackholes mean little when he has immortality.
Maybe you haven't looked hard enough then.
He tanked them on his durability. Not healing factor.
So why bring him up in discussion with Zod is beyond me. Ultraman was also not much to bring up, he survive destruction of his universe, yet he is only moon level in strength and durability.
That's post Flashpoint Ultraman. We are talking about pre Flashpoint Ultraman here who survived the destruction of his whole universe.
So i dont see how relevenat these feats are overall when discussing Zod, Superman's inferior, beating Thragg who is Invincible/Omni Man's superior.
You're acting like Superman wouldn't punch Thragg face in.
Originally posted by cdtm
Toe to toe, nothing. He damn near beat Triumph within an inch of his life. 🙂Add to that, taking out Mon-El with a good sucker punch. Even for a cheap shot, you generally need to be in someone else's ballpark for it to result in a KO/injury.
Here's supporting evidence. Remember how powerful Triumph is, and how he could have killed Superman:
It's like all the years of frustration over working with Guy Gardner, Blue Beetle, Booster Gold, G'nort came out at once against poor Triumph. 😂
Originally posted by abhilegend
Right, and they were to die hitting the core if not destabilized.Maybe you haven't looked hard enough then.
He tanked them on his durability. Not healing factor.
That's post Flashpoint Ultraman. We are talking about pre Flashpoint Ultraman here who survived the destruction of his whole universe.
You're acting like Superman wouldn't punch Thragg face in.
Find me where its stated as fact? Its not. In the scan he Thaddeus stated as quoted "If the core has time to stabilize, we COULD die on impact." That states he did not know for sure, and before this quote Thaddeus stated this was something no Viltrumite ever tried before and was all theory anyway. Thaddeus also stated they needed Allen and Tech jacket too to pull the feat off, and he was wrong about that as himself, Nolan, and Mark was enough. Proving he is unreliable in his facts from the get go. Context of the words help.
I debated plenty of times against Lobo in Comicvine threads. Not once was ever a showing in his respect threads or debates him pulling stars. So please show me one since you have some inside hidden info.
Being immortal negates taking damage.
Yet Pre Flash point Ultraman was still weaker than Post Crisis Superman anyway. Inconsistent. I can also show you a feat of Hyperion surviving the destruction of his universe and holding apart two universes. Still not a universal level character :/ Add to all this, this is New 52 Zod since its current characters, which new 52 Ultraman is far inferior.
Superman sure. Too bad this is Zod we are arguing about. The guy inferior to Supes in every way by high ends and overall story plot.
Originally posted by CadenceV2
Find me where its stated as fact? Its not. In the scan he Thaddeus stated as quoted "If the core has time to stabilize, we COULD die on impact." That states he did not know for sure, and before this quote Thaddeus stated this was something no Viltrumite ever tried before and was all theory anyway. Thaddeus also stated they needed Allen and Tech jacket too to pull the feat off, and he was wrong about that as himself, Nolan, and Mark was enough. Proving he is unreliable in his facts from the get go. Context of the words help.
Why would they even said if there was no chance for them to die?
Why would the writer put that there?
I debated plenty of times against Lobo in Comicvine threads. Not once was ever a showing in his respect threads or debates him pulling stars. So please show me one since you have some inside hidden info.
Here you go.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
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Being immortal negates taking damage.
He immortal due to his healing factor. He is not immune to damage.
Yet Pre Flash point Ultraman was still weaker than Post Crisis Superman anyway. Inconsistent. I can also show you a feat of Hyperion surviving the destruction of his universe and holding apart two universes. Still not a universal level character :/ Add to all this, this is New 52 Zod since its current characters, which new 52 Ultraman is far inferior
Well you can do that but that would be incorrect. Hyperion only survived the destruction of the two earths which he failed to hold apart.
The universes were destroyed by cascading effect. It wasn't a bomb explosion.
Superman sure. Too bad this is Zod we are arguing about. The guy inferior to Supes in every way by high ends and overall story plot. [/B]
But still superior to Thragg.
