Snoke isn't a combatant, he needs his Praetorian Guards to fight for him as said in the TLJ dictionary. He is powerful in the Force but his body is to frail to fight. You could argue his force prowess is better than Palpatines but besides some esoteric knowledge he doesn't have anything going for him feat wise.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The power disparity between himself and Rey along with Lukes fear of her raw strength.
So? That doesn’t prove anything.
And no you don't care about the canon, I had mentioned the new Vader comics being canon and you said who cares.
I brought them up to show tha5 Vader never wanted to kill Luke which is why he had lost to him
Originally posted by The MerchantWe see him not need the guard against Rey. He can take a dump and defeat a combatant. Just as yoda could barely move without the force it is silly to think Snoke could not if the need arose.
Snoke isn't a combatant, he needs his Praetorian Guards to fight for him as said in the TLJ dictionary. He is powerful in the Force but his body is to frail to fight. You could argue his force prowess is better than Palpatines but besides some esoteric knowledge he doesn't have anything going for him feat wise.
Originally posted by DarthPlaguis12Just as your Jedi masters do not prove anything with regards to Snoke so as you said who cares.
So? That doesn’t prove anything.And no you don't care about the canon, I had mentioned the new Vader comics being canon and you said who cares.
I brought them up to show tha5 Vader never wanted to kill Luke which is why he had lost to him
Comic canon while neat does not really supplant the films. I use real time evidence because it is the best indicator to how these characters move and react in real time.
Luke also did not want to kill Vader. Point is Vader did not want to lose but he did with Luke even trying to avoid the fight altogether.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Luke also did not want to kill Vader. Point is Vader did not want to lose but he did with Luke even trying to avoid the fight altogether.
While you are correct that to begin with Luke doesn't want to kill him, Vader is defeated after Luke gives in to his rage and DOES want to kill him, and Vader is caught off guard similarly to how Kylo is vs Rey in TFA.
Just wanted to note that.
Yes it does, it shows that Sidious killed people of great skill including Windu and yoda....Snoke wasn’t gonna face Luke lol, too scared.
It’s all Disney canon, the comics add to what happened inbetween the films, after and before. You’re so full of shit 😂 they’re made by the same company
Vader didn’t want to kill his son, not only that but in the old trilogy novels I believe it says his powers were weakened due to giving into sentiment. If not he’d have dominated Luke like on cloud city.
Originally posted by quanchi112"Snoke's force abilities are strong, but his body is broken, his stride staggered, and his muscles weak. He relies instead on the combat prowess of his crimson protectors.":
We see him not need the guard against Rey. He can take a dump and defeat a combatant. Just as yoda could barely move without the force it is silly to think Snoke could not if the need arose.
It's pretty evident this isn't a guy who is going to randomly pull Sidious/Yoda-level saber prowess out of his ass. He needs the PGs in that respect.
Rey wasn't in a position to fight back considering she was a prisoner and hadn't had any real training. Rewatching the movie you can't even make the claim she had the power she used to lift all those boulders during her confrontation with Snoke considering how surprised she was actually performing the feat, not to mention if she had that power to begin with she should have rocked those Praetorian Guards like Yoda did to those 2 Royal Guards in episode 3.
So Snoke overpowering Rey when she tried to grab back her saber isn't anything to boast. Overpowering Kylo is decent but his best feat is bringing down a stone hit while Palpatine force lightning a freighter that is 40 meters long. He also would have been able to save himself from Vaders betrayal if he didn't lose his mind in bloodlust according to the book "beware the power of the dark side"
All Snoke has going for him is ancient knowledge Palpatine wanted that helped the FO survive the UR and Johnson saying he is stronger than Vader and Palps because he had limitless resources. Considering he couldn't keep himself alive like Maul did plus he wasn't strong enough to ignore the frailty of his body the knowledge probably isn't applicable on a personal level anyways.
Originally posted by Galan007
"Snoke's force abilities are strong, but his body is broken, his stride staggered, and his muscles weak. He relies instead on the combat prowess of his crimson protectors.":
https://postimg.cc/c6mTWvs5It's pretty evident this isn't a guy who is going to randomly pull Sidious/Yoda-level saber prowess out of his ass. He needs the PGs in that respect.
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Originally posted by TrocityHe had time to deal with the rage it was not one sudden attack that defeated him. Luke was too powerful for Vader to deal with. Younger, stronger, more powerful.
While you are correct that to begin with Luke doesn't want to kill him, Vader is defeated after Luke gives in to his rage and DOES want to kill him, and Vader is caught off guard similarly to how Kylo is vs Rey in TFA.Just wanted to note that.
Originally posted by Galan007I never argued he could use the sabers in a physical sense since there is no proof as of now. I believe he can based off how yoda uses the force despite his physical limitations. I always argue Snoke uses the force to deal with younger more physically able opponents like he did against Rey to defeat them.
"Snoke's force abilities are strong, but his body is broken, his stride staggered, and his muscles weak. He relies instead on the combat prowess of his crimson protectors.":
https://postimg.cc/c6mTWvs5It's pretty evident this isn't a guy who is going to randomly pull Sidious/Yoda-level saber prowess out of his ass. He needs the PGs in that respect.
Originally posted by DarthPlaguis12Snoke was not the one hiding on an island. Sidious lost to Windu via skill. He survived because Anakin saved him. Facts, Ti.
Yes it does, it shows that Sidious killed people of great skill including Windu and yoda....Snoke wasn’t gonna face Luke lol, too scared.It’s all Disney canon, the comics add to what happened inbetween the films, after and before. You’re so full of shit 😂 they’re made by the same company
Vader didn’t want to kill his son, not only that but in the old trilogy novels I believe it says his powers were weakened due to giving into sentiment. If not he’d have dominated Luke like on cloud city.
Snoke worries about the hope Luke represented not Luke himself. In the film Luke mentions how he cannot face down the first order alone. It is ridiculous but he can create galactic hope.
Luke also did not want to even fight let alone kill Vader but he still decimated him after Vader enraged him. Luke>Vader as per rotj. Sidious wanted the more powerful apprentice not the used up and old Vader.
Snoke wins via force power.
It’s darth plagues and Sidious beat Windu and other masters including Yoda, Dooku was scared of him.
How could Snoke beat him at all...tell me lol
Luke is a pussy but Snoke had the guards to fight him.
Vader crushed Luke, AGAIN the canon comics show he didn’t want to kill Luke and it weakened his connection to the dark side.
How so? Sidious isn’t a newb like Kyle or Rey...he’s a Dark lord, he’d beat Snoke.
Originally posted by DarthPlaguis12Ipad corrected DP to TI.
It’s darth plagues and Sidious beat Windu and other masters including Yoda, Dooku was scared of him.How could Snoke beat him at all...tell me lol
Luke is a pussy but Snoke had the guards to fight him.
Vader crushed Luke, AGAIN the canon comics show he didn’t want to kill Luke and it weakened his connection to the dark side.
How so? Sidious isn’t a newb like Kyle or Rey...he’s a Dark lord, he’d beat Snoke.
Yoda challenged him. Sidious tried to flee, lol.
Overpower him with the force.
Snoke casually dismissed Rey who put Luke on his ass. Speculation.
Vader was soundly defeated and both were not there to kill the other. Film made it pretty clear.
Too powerful. Sidious gets overwhelmed.
Originally posted by quanchi112Lets be honest, Yoda would beat Snoke as well.
Ipad corrected DP to TI.Yoda challenged him. Sidious tried to flee, lol.
Overpower him with the force.
Snoke casually dismissed Rey who put Luke on his ass. Speculation.
Vader was soundly defeated and both were not there to kill the other. Film made it pretty clear.
Too powerful. Sidious gets overwhelmed.