Bloodlusted JL Superman vs. the MCU

Originally posted by Arachnid1
Isn't the soul stone what Thanos used to get in sync with/aware of all of the souls in the universe? If Thanos cant use the stones simultaneously, he shouldn't be able to track Supes around the city while also bending reality to change Supes specifically. He can do one or the other but not both at the same time. Up till the exact moment when Thanos got the soul stone, he had to actually see the people he fought with to interact with them (and if Supes is that close, it's already over for Thanos). Plus, the effects of the reality stone seemed to be temporary without the other stones for some reason if that scene with the Guardians is anything to go off of. Thanos only being able to use a single stone at a time should severely gimp it's capabilities from what was shown at the end of the movie to potentially less than what was shown before that.

Also, this isn't specifically for you Froth, but I think we should argue this thread with OPs clarifications in mind. Sure, it's possibly against the rules, but if we don't it also means no one including Thanos is aware of Supes weakness to Kryptonite. The OP stated they're loosely aware of his abilities, not his weakness. This is one of the areas OP further clarified and it's one that factors in to this thread in a big way. Plus OP starting a new thread with the clarifications is kind of a waste of time and makes this thread pointless.

You know what, I completely forgot about the stip about Thanos not using all stones at once. And yes, I'm perfectly fine using the clarifications that Ellimist provided. I believe it's the gentlemanly thing to do.

Anyway, if the MCU has 2 mins. prep time they could easily just bunch Thanos, Graviton and Thor together then at the starting whistle they just put a shield around them, each one adding an extra layer on top. That should be enough to stop Superman from attacking him and now he has time to figure out how to deal with Superman.

Maybe he can create kryptonite? Maybe he can seize Superman with TK like he stopped Loki from stabbing him? Graviton might be strong enough to freeze him in place, or Thor's lightning coating/AOE might be able to stun Superman long enough for Thanos to draw a bead on him then turn him into wood or something... and even if that's temporary Thor can just come over and chop his head off.

Anyway, I originally thought this fight was going to take place with maybe 50m starting distance and I was initially backing Superman... maybe. But giving the MCU team 2 mins. prep plus the capacity to choose their starting location swings me over to the MCU side. They just have too much options. The Ancient One can just bring their location into the mirror dimension or something.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
And why should we assume Diana cant perceive Flash/Superman?

In both scenes she is falling. She cant run or move. Doesnt mean she cant see whats going on.

And still a mach 5 would fall beyond her abilities

Gubz himself claimed he took the time as 1min, ergo the numbers are hypothetical since time between cutscenes isnt literal.

You can visibly see her face is still locked in the exact same expression before (1:28) and after he is done (1:38). There are zero visual cues that indicate she could perceive his actions there. Unlike the other scenes in question, where the writers make a point of showing her tracking the objects, even moving her head to follow them. So, if you want to claim that she could track them, the burden of proof is on you to show it, despite the contrast with the other scenes and her not showing any signs of doing so.

And no, he said he took the screen time of the sequence. You assuming there is timelapse due to cuts doesn't mean there is. But okay, I will play your game. Tell me, exactly how much time did pass in that scene? You seem so sure it wasn't the actual screen time. So, how much was it then?

Originally posted by Arachnid1
Isn't the soul stone what Thanos used to get in sync with/aware of all of the souls in the universe? If Thanos cant use the stones simultaneously, he shouldn't be able to track Supes around the city while also bending reality to change Supes specifically. He can do one or the other but not both at the same time. Up till the exact moment when Thanos got the soul stone, he had to actually see the people he fought with to interact with them (and if Supes is that close, it's already over for Thanos). Plus, the effects of the reality stone seemed to be temporary without the other stones for some reason if that scene with the Guardians is anything to go off of. Thanos only being able to use a single stone at a time should severely gimp it's capabilities from what was shown at the end of the movie to potentially less than what was shown before that.

Also, this isn't specifically for you Froth, but I think we should argue this thread with OPs clarifications in mind. Sure, it's possibly against the rules, but if we don't it also means no one including Thanos is aware of Supes weakness to Kryptonite. The OP stated they're loosely aware of his abilities, not his weakness. This is one of the areas OP further clarified and it's one that factors in to this thread in a big way. Plus OP starting a new thread with the clarifications is kind of a waste of time and makes this thread pointless.

For your second post. He does possess the Soul Stone and Mind Stone.

Any of these could be used to analyze Superman's physiology.

He can use the Space Stone to constantly teleport away from Superman to earn himself time to prep.

I guess the point is, once he manages to activate any of those stones Superman loses.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
You can visibly see her face is still locked in the exact same expression before (1:28) and after he is done (1:38). There are zero visual cues that indicate she could perceive his actions there. Unlike the other scenes in question, where the writers make a point of showing her tracking the objects, even moving her head to follow them. So, if you want to claim that she could track them, the burden of proof is on you to show it, despite the contrast with the other scenes and her not showing any signs of doing so.

And no, he said he took the screen time of the sequence. You assuming there is timelapse due to cuts doesn't mean there is. But okay, I will play your game. Tell me, exactly how much time did pass in that scene? You seem so sure it wasn't the actual screen time. So, how much was it then?

Either way TheVault. Gubz claims that in that specific scene Flash was running at mach 5, which i dont disagree with. So Diana not perceiving Flash is reasonable.

The time lapse between the cuts is speculative! It could be a minute, 30s or an hour! Even days.

Again timelapse between cutscenes must not be taken linear. Reason why I disagree with Gubz calcs and why I cant give you an estimation on Superman's speed there

Yet in multiple other scenes, we can estimate Superman's flight speed between Mach 2-3. Also Flash was moving backwards in his fight with Superman, not running forward (speed moving forward and backwards isnt thr same) like when he touched the motherbox or Diana's sword.

But even so, mach 5 is acceptable.

Now, multiple scenes proof Superman's speed oscilates between mach 2-5, yet one isolated scene "apparently" points at mach 27.5.

So either that scene is PIS/plothole/error or there was a miscalculation/misinterpretation of the scene.

Considering there is a cutscene clearly Gubz calcs arent realistic and shouldnt be taken as granted

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
You can visibly see her face is still locked in the exact same expression before (1:28) and after he is done (1:38). There are zero visual cues that indicate she could perceive his actions there. Unlike the other scenes in question, where the writers make a point of showing her tracking the objects, even moving her head to follow them. So, if you want to claim that she could track them, the burden of proof is on you to show it, despite the contrast with the other scenes and her not showing any signs of doing so.

And no, he said he took the screen time of the sequence. You assuming there is timelapse due to cuts doesn't mean there is. But okay, I will play your game. Tell me, exactly how much time did pass in that scene? You seem so sure it wasn't the actual screen time. So, how much was it then?

YouTube video

Go to when Superman first achieves true flight. Notice the lack of any cutting indicating a change in scene. Superman flew from Canada to Africa in seconds.

https://gfycat.com/DaringSeparateCutworm

He flies from Luthor's party in Metropolis to Jericho, Mexico in a short enough timeframe to save a girl in a building that is on fire and about to collapse in a short enough timeframe that firefighters viewed it too much of a risk to attempt saving her.

https://gfycat.com/DamagedVeneratedAmurratsnake

Or how Zod and him fly to outer space in their fight in moments.

YouTube video

He travels from America to the Indian ocean in a matter of minutes.

I also just came across something of interest. Apparently, Aquaman can swim at mach 4.6 while underwater.

YouTube video

He was still a statue to Clark, and while he likely can't reach the same speed on foot as he can swimming, his ability to swim this fast shows he has reactions above what the fat retard is claiming for Clark.

Furthermore, you know Steppenwolf, who was also a statue and casually blitzed by Superman? Could effortlessly without looking swat aside an arrow fired by Hippolyta.

https://gfycat.com/GaseousWindyFossa

Hippolyta can fire arrows that travel absurdly quickly and far, traveling miles to the shrine of the Amazons.

https://gfycat.com/FearfulThisAnteater

Found a more complete version of the gif I posted earlier.

https://gfycat.com/TerribleIgnorantDamselfly

Apparently the ability to fly from one end of the planet to near the other in this amount of time makes you mach 2-3, or car speed, depending on who you ask. 😂

Anyone who would seriously try to downplay Clark's speed to about mach 2-3 is an idiot not to be taken seriously Vault. A simpleton deserving of nothing more than mockery of their tiny brain, tinier penis, and excessive belly.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Why are you responding to this retard?

YouTube video

Go to when Superman first achieves true flight. Notice the lack of any cutting indicating a change in scene. Superman flew from Canada to Africa in seconds.

https://gfycat.com/DaringSeparateCutworm

He flies from Luthor's party in Metropolis to Jericho, Mexico in a short enough timeframe to save a girl in a building that is on fire and about to collapse in a short enough timeframe that firefighters viewed it too much of a risk to attempt saving her.

https://gfycat.com/DamagedVeneratedAmurratsnake

Or how Zod and him fly to outer space in their fight in moments.

YouTube video

He travels from America to the Indian ocean in a matter of minutes.

I also just came across something of interest. Apparently, Aquaman can swim at mach 4.6 while underwater.

YouTube video

He was still a statue to Clark, and while he likely can't reach the same speed on foot as he can swimming, his ability to swim this fast shows he has reactions above what the fat retard is claiming for Clark.

Furthermore, you know Steppenwolf, who was also a statue and casually blitzed by Superman? Could effortlessly without looking swat aside an arrow fired by Hippolyta.

https://gfycat.com/GaseousWindyFossa

Hippolyta can fire arrows that travel absurdly quickly and far, traveling miles to the shrine of the Amazons.

https://gfycat.com/FearfulThisAnteater

Found a more complete version of the gif I posted earlier.

https://gfycat.com/TerribleIgnorantDamselfly

Apparently the ability to fly from one end of the planet to near the other in this amount of time makes you mach 2-3, or car speed, depending on who you ask. 😂

Anyone who would seriously try to downplay Clark's speed to about mach 2-3 is an idiot not to be taken seriously Vault. A simpleton deserving of nothing more than mockery of their tiny brain, tinier penis, and excessive belly.

Why? Maybe because am not a retard, and your perception over reality is as messed up as your life! 😂

Superman crossing from Canada to Africa in seconds!! 😂 You are a RetardBro!

Well, since you never addressed my points, but rather ran away i won't address your arguments neither.

P.S: Thanks for the compliment by the way! The fact that you beg TheVault for support in order to counter me is....delightful.

I accept your concession. 👆

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Either way TheVault. Gubz claims that in that specific scene Flash was running at mach 5, which i dont disagree with. So Diana not perceiving Flash is reasonable.

The time lapse between the cuts is speculative! It could be a minute, 30s or an hour! Even days.

Again timelapse between cutscenes must not be taken linear. [B]Reason why I disagree with Gubz calcs and why I cant give you an estimation on Superman's speed there

Yet in multiple other scenes, we can estimate Superman's flight speed between Mach 2-3. Also Flash was moving backwards in his fight with Superman, not running forward (speed moving forward and backwards isnt thr same) like when he touched the motherbox or Diana's sword.

But even so, mach 5 is acceptable.

Now, multiple scenes proof Superman's speed oscilates between mach 2-5, yet one isolated scene "apparently" points at mach 27.5.

So either that scene is PIS/plothole/error or there was a miscalculation/misinterpretation of the scene.

Considering there is a cutscene clearly Gubz calcs arent realistic and shouldnt be taken as granted [/B]

No, you are estimating it at being Mach 2-3 in other scenes. Tons of other people all across the internet, including Gubz, disagrees with you about what his speed is. Or he wouldn't have listed the number he did in his video. He would have gone with one closer to yours. So, you are trying to cherry-pick use of his calcs as part of your argument while blatantly ignoring his actual stance/opinion.

And with regards to the Flash, he even mentions that, in his opinion, the other scenes (such as Flash and Clark fighting) is faster than the Mach 5.6 (not just Mach 5, despite your lowball attempt). So, he firmly believes Flash was actually faster in other scenes, but due to lack of reference points, calculating it is hard. He says this explicitly in his video for the character.

But all that was nothing really other than a massive dodge of my actual question. How much longer was it? Because that directly relates to the speed argument.

Screw it, I will make it simple for you. Mach 27.5 is 5.5 times more than Mach 5, which is the speed you are claiming is Superman's max. So, from that, the 1 minute we see onscreen would actually need to be more like 5 and a half minutes as well (going at less than a 5th of the speed means he would require more than 5 times as long). So, prove that the 1-minute scene Gubz referenced is in fact at least 5-and-a-half minutes long. As that would need to hold true for your claim to also be true. And if you can't, you are basically conceding that you can't actually prove your claim.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Why are you responding to this retard?

...

I want him to prove that the scene he claims is a timelapse is in fact as long as it would need to be for his Mach 5 number to hold up. Because I know he can't, so the mental gymnastics should be entertaining to watch.

And just to be clear, I don't actually know (or particularly give a shit, if I am honest) exactly how fast Superman is. I am just challenging the idea of a feat being thrown out based purely on a poster's visual interpretation of a scene. Because KMC has been boring as phuck lately, and this is sadly one of the most interesting ongoing discussions.

One would think Marvel is the easy answer here, but they would need some massive cooperation utilizing all the hax capabilities they have (Thanos, Strange, Tony, Ancient One, Wakandan tech) together at once to stop a Cavillman that has seen all the MCU movies, has prep, and legit wants to get to snappin necks pronto.

Maybe something like Strange and Thanos setting up a time loop, Hela, SB Thor, Hulk, and all the heavy hitters and firepower going towards containing Supes while Thanos, AO, Strange, Mordo, and the rest of the sorcerers try to get Clark in the mirror dimension or open up a portal to a black hole or something. IDK.

Whereas Superman has the whole package to start wiping out everyone sans SB Thor, Hela, Thanos, final form Ultron, and the guys like Ancient One, Strange, and Ant-Man.

Well, as I pointed out, even people like Karnak can cause some issues, because of the nonsense nature of his power. I mean based on the one conversation he has in an episode, his precog crap can see days in advance:

"Two and a half days. First day, I would be captivated by your beauty, oh the fun we'd have. Second day, it will start to bother me that you're a servant, and then I'd discover that you have dependency issues, you chew with your mouth open. By the second afternoon, I'd want to kill you. Sad but true."
- Karnak to a Servant

And Auran, IIRC, mentioned how he used to tell opponents about "all" the different ways he could defeat them. So, he can apparently do multiple replays in a row.

It's basically a reset button until he gets it right.

But, then again, if Clark knows he can do that, he will probably be one of the first to be targeted... And now I am picturing Karnak stuck in an endless mental loop of watching himself being murdered by Superman lol.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Because I know he can't.

Haha underesting me isnt a wise option Mr. Vault.

And i will gladly prove you wrong.

I am beginning to formulate my responses to your previous posts, be patient.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Haha underesting me isnt a wise option Mr. Vault.

And i will gladly prove you wrong.

I am beginning to formulate my responses to your previous posts, be patient.

lol good luck with that. Unless you can quote the people who did the scene and confirm that the time spent was meant to be at least five and a half minutes, your response will be nothing but hot air (as there will be zero official authority behind whatever interpretation you try and bring forth). But go ahead, do your little monkey dance. I have the organ going for you.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
No, you are estimating it at being Mach 2-3 in other scenes. Tons of other people all across the internet, including Gubz, disagrees with you about what his speed is. Or he wouldn't have listed the number he did in his video. He would have gone with one closer to yours. So, you are trying to cherry-pick use of his calcs as part of your argument while blatantly ignoring his actual stance/opinion.

Lets adress one point at a time shall we.

Mr.Vault, I presented Gubz video way previously than you did. So saying am trying to "cherry pick" his numbers is a lie, since i made myself clear I agreed with ALL of his numbers except the mach 27.5 which i will address later.

Evidence:

Page 6:

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Insanity. I don't know where h1 got those numbers from.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOthutb_2Hc

Superman isn't even near to what h1 is putting him.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
I want to emphasize that i disagree on Gubz calculation for Supes speed. Gubz used Movie sequence, which isn't literal. Therefore, am willing to claim Superman being slower than Mach 27.

And yet, it's no where near to what h1 is claiming.

Its pretty clear I always accepted Gubz mach 5 numbers.

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Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Superman is mach 5-30 depending on the source you are consulting!

Superman doesnt even come close to mach 50!

11 days is BS.

I specifically said mach 5 to 30 depending the source ( I was mainly refering to Gubz numbers there)

Now, my mach 2-3 statement was pertaining specifically to Man of Steel.

RetardBro (NemeBro) was stating that Superman could travel from Canada to Africa in seconds (MoS scene).

I ran some calculations on Supes speed which pointed at Mach 1-2. But i used 2-3 for the sake of debate (Sadly RetardBro is a terrible debater)

So TheVault, my position is clear.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller

And with regards to the Flash, he even mentions that, in his opinion, the other scenes (such as Flash and Clark fighting) is faster than the Mach 5.6 (not just Mach 5, despite your lowball attempt). So, he firmly believes Flash was actually faster in other scenes, but due to lack of reference points, calculating it is hard. He says this explicitly in his video for the character.

I addressed this already.

And Mach 5.6...Sorry if i was specific! Dont be so saucy.

Ohhh, and am willing to accept more thab mach 5. Mach 6, Mach 7 etc.

But mach 27 is BS. I will address why later.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Lets adress one point at a time shall we.

Mr.Vault, I presented Gubz video way previously than you did. So saying am trying to "cherry pick" his numbers is a lie, since i made myself clear I agreed with ALL of his numbers [B]except the mach 27.5 which i will address later.

Evidence:

Page 6:

Its pretty clear I always accepted Gubz mach 5 numbers.

Page 8:

I specifically said mach 5 to 30 depending the source ( I was mainly refering to Gubz numbers there)

Now, my mach 2-3 statement was pertaining specifically to Man of Steel.

RetardBro (NemeBro) was stating that Superman could travel from Canada to Africa in seconds (MoS scene).

I ran some calculations on Supes speed which pointed at Mach 1-2. But i used 2-3 for the sake of debate (Sadly RetardBro is a terrible debater)

So TheVault, my position is clear. [/B]

Your "position" is irrelevant. It's what you can prove. Here is the clip:

3:19 to 4:13

YouTube video

Prove it was meant to be at least 5 and a half minutes. If you can't, you can't claim Mach 5 is his top speed. It's that simple.

And you also don't know what cherry pick means, as picking one number that suits you and dismissing another that doesn't is exactly that.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller

But all that was nothing really other than a massive dodge of my actual question. [B]How much longer was it? Because that directly relates to the speed argument.
[/B]

Exactly. How much? The answer:

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
lol good luck with that. Unless you can quote the people who did the scene and confirm that the time spent was meant to be at least five and a half minutes, your response will be nothing but hot air (as there will be zero official authority behind whatever interpretation you

Nice to know you agree with me! Unless Gubz quotes the people who did the scene stating that the time between the cutscene is 1min his numbers mean nothing! Hot Air! Useless

This is why i wont take his mach 27.5 number. Because there is an unknown variable in his equation which is time. Any scientist knows that you cant pull out numbers from unknown variables!

FURTHERMORE:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T2lBsFbWe4w&t=836s

Minute 13:50.

Gubz:

Clocking the actual run time of the sequence....

He isnt counting for the cutscenes time. His calculations are currect, but his timing variable isnt literal and therefore his calcs are hypothetical and not solid.

You dont need a Ph.D in Physics to know such calcs must not be taken.

But I follow your monkey dance... I will run some calcs, be patient.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
NemeBro, time and time again you prove to be terrible at this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLvVTwPC3AE

Minute 5:58 contains the DCEU Superman flying scenes.

[B] Please mention where does he travel from Africa to America in terms of seconds

That is ofcourse, not counting multiple cutscenes 😂 😂

Your incompetence when interpreting movie scenes is EVIDENT.

Cutscene #1 (Minute 5:51): The Canada scene is replaced with a scene in Africa.

Does it mean he traveled in terms of seconds to Africa? It takes an idiot to think so, and not realize that the timeframe between cutscenes isn't literal.

Cutscene #2 (Minute 6:25): Superman passes from the sea to a mountainous, rocky region.

Does it mean that Superman somehow teleported?

😂

Check from minute 6:09 to 6:14
In Africa, you can clearly see a group of giraffes in the background. The Giraffes fade away in minute 6:14.

It means it took Superman 5s to move from the place where the Jiraffes apparently are, to a position in where they fade away (are too small visually).

Given the size of the giraffes, i'd estimate a distance of 1km.

Conclusion:

It takes Superman 5s to move a distance of 1km. This means that in that scene he is traveling at 720Km/h

If you are not satisfied (considering you are a worm), check minute 6:22. Superman finally manages to break the sound barrier (causes a sonic boom)!!! Mach 1.

Moving countries in terms of Seconds!!!? 😂

Your joking abilites exceed mines NemeBro! Hilarious!!! [/B]

@TheVaultDweller.

Have fun proving Superman can cross from Canada to Africa in seconds. 😂

I already did though.