Surfer vs Superman speed battle

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Oh, and THIS aswell. where's the comparable/superior speed feat from superman to this?

I'll be waiting. you need step your game up son

Where is he stated to fly all the way? He could've as easily opened a portal.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Where is he stated to fly all the way? He could've as easily opened a portal.

But he didn't, did he? now where's the speed feats. any 5 speed feats you can give for Superman, I can do better for surfer. try me

lmao lanterns, and superman have used transluminal space to travel

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
But he didn't, did he? now where's the speed feats. any 5 speed feats you can give for Superman, I can do better for surfer. try me

How can you tell he flew all across the way? BTW, even Superboy and Supergirl have flown to and back from Source Wall within a sentence.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
lmao lanterns, and superman have used transluminal space to travel

And they have traveled across the universe within moments when they do it. Unlike Surfer.

Originally posted by abhilegend
What part of that is misunderstood by you? Xs can go lightspeed but she still can't travel in time to which she needs help of Barry Allen.

I mean, are you really this dumb? That scan was only meant to show that even if you go lightspeed you can't go back in time with that.

You can't use that scan for that particular reason because it's not intended to time travel period

The entire point of having her run lightspeed, is to combine that with the energies from those 4 people, to bring back Bart

As shown. That's the point

Now, if you find a scan where it's directly stated lightspeed can't time travel with the cosmic treadmill, THEN, you would have made your point

Originally posted by abhilegend
How can you tell he flew all across the way? BTW, even Superboy and Supergirl have flown to and back from Source Wall within a sentence.

Show it. and tell me the calc for it, because it's clearly not in the quadrillions range.

"How can you tell he flew all across"

by reading the scan and not blindly ignoring the panel?

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
You can't use that scan for that particular reason because it's not intended to time travel period

The entire point of having her run lightspeed, is to combine that with the energies from those 4 people, to bring back Bart

As shown. That's the point

Now, if you find a scan where it's directly stated lightspeed can't time travel with the cosmic treadmill, THEN, you would have made your point

No, the point was to bring down speed force lightning which resurrected Bart Allen.

To do that you need to go lightspeed. To travel in time, you will need to go FTL. Barry Allen flat out said that he followed the tachyon trail of the treadmill.

You're just trolling now.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Show it. and tell me the calc for it, because it's clearly not in the quadrillions range.

"How can you tell he flew all across"

by reading the scan and not blindly ignoring the panel?

Why would I need calculation? You yourself said comic trumps calculations.

Where is that stated he flew across all the way?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Why would I need calculation? You yourself said comic trumps calculations.

Where is that stated he flew across all the way?

of course, but how else are we gonna figure out which is faster if we can't quantify it?

Originally posted by abhilegend
That only makes Surfer not that fast outside the hyperspace which he used.

I'm still waiting where nanosecond is mentioned in SS 109.

Doesn't matter, it's still something he can do. Thus still, disproving that theory

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, the point was to bring down speed force lightning which resurrected Bart Allen.

To do that you need to go lightspeed. To travel in time, you will need to go FTL. Barry Allen flat out said that he followed the tachyon trail of the treadmill.

You're just trolling now.

"No, the point was to bring down speed force lightning which resurrected Bart Allen"

That is essentially the same exact thing I was saying when I described it. You putting it into different words does not in any way shape or form, support your argument

"To travel in time, you will need to go FTL"
--> Yes, that's how it normally works when they don't use the treadmill. But we're talking about its use, and so far, you haven't shown anything that proves FTL on the treadmill is what enables them to time travel

And again, your scan from legion of 3 worlds is certainly not proof, whatsoever, as I have explained the intent of it

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Sure, let's take a a speed feat the Silver Surfer did, where he crossed 500,000 light years in the time it took him to finish his conversation with Legacy

https://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11116/111162130/5113026-silver+surfer+vol.+3%2C+issue+109.1%2C+warp+speed.jpg

1-The narrator states that Surfer is "half a million" lightyears away (500,000) from the standoff (where Tyrant is battling Galactus) when he starts to take off towards them...

Thats the distance

2. As for the time frame, no specific one was given. All we know is Surfer crossed that distance in the time it took him to finish his conversation with Legacy. Which, upon reading their dialogue and timing it, comes out to about 30 seconds

---> Therefore, Silver Surfer traveled 500,000 lightyears in half a minute

For the calculator that I use from this site (http://www.1728.org/velocity.htm) I have to 1st convert 500,000 lightyears to miles

- 500,000 lightyears = 2.939e18 (quintillion) miles

https://www.unitjuggler.com/convert-length-from-ly-to...

Now take the Distance (2.939e18 miles) and the Time (30 seconds) and input into this site...

http://www.1728.org/velocity.htm

And it shows that the speed required to cross 500,000 lightyears in 30 seconds would be 9.7980e16 miles per second (97.9 quadrillion mps)

However, that is just the bare minimum he can achieve. Over 525 billion x LS is a low estimate because the scans reveal further context in regards to his speed

The observable universe has over 100 billion galaxies where OA is in the center.

Let's say that OA is 1 million galaxies away. Let's say each galaxy is about 5,000 light years wide and the average distance between galaxies is 1 billion light years. All of these numbers are far lower than reality.

Let's say that Superman took about 10 minutes to cross this distance (he did it in a matter of moments).

Average speed = distance /time
=(1million × 5000 × 1 billion light years) / 10 minutes
= 500 quadrillion light-years per minute.
There are 3600×24×365=31,536,000 seconds in a year.
Therefore Superman traveled faster than
500 quadrillion × 31,536,000 = 1.57 ×10^25 times faster than light.

and that's for what speed feat?

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
of course, but how else are we gonna figure out which is faster if we can't quantify it?

You said comic trumps fan calcs. Are you going to go back on what you said?

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Doesn't matter, it's still something he can do. Thus still, disproving that theory

Not as per the comic, he can't.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
"No, the point was to bring down speed force lightning which resurrected Bart Allen"

That is essentially the same exact thing I was saying when I described it. You putting it into different words does not in any way shape or form, support your argument

She was just breaching speed force at lightspeed. For travelling in time, you need to go faster.

"To travel in time, you will need to go FTL"
--> Yes, that's how it normally works when they don't use the treadmill. But we're talking about its use, and so far, you haven't shown anything that proves FTL on the treadmill is what enables them to time travel

Yes, it does. Cosmic Trademill is only powered by tachyons/kinetic energy and you need to go FTL to produce them.

And again, your scan from legion of 3 worlds is certainly not proof, whatsoever, as I have explained the intent of it

You misunderstood the whole thing, not surprisingly.

you took him off ignore for the bz didn't you...? sneer

Originally posted by abhilegend
She was just breaching speed force at lightspeed. For travelling in time, you need to go faster.

Yes, it does. Cosmic Trademill is only powered by tachyons/kinetic energy and you need to go FTL to produce them.

You misunderstood the whole thing, not surprisingly.

I know what she was doing.

Once again, going FTL (on their own) is what enables the time travel via speedforce

The treadmill however, does (Not) require FTL because it has never been stated or shown

Nowhere. Not one single comic or guidebook states FTL is needed to use the treadmill

and It's a cosmic treadmill that travels through time. You can't extrapolate any numbers from it unless the narrative actually STATES something.

The Cosmic Treadmill is travelling through time. Producing tachyons doesn't necessarily mean it's actually FTL.