Originally posted by FrothByteRumlow was fast and skilled enough to taze a visibly winding Cap who had already been tazed several times before while dual-wielding those tasers my man.
Baleman gets the crap beat out of him. Rumlow was fast and skilled enough to beat Cap to the punch twice.
Given Baleman's own feats of speed, like this:
http://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11123/111235159/5569502-m2gogqj+-+imgur.gif
Or this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmdWPv5R_J8&feature=youtu.be&t=80
That's seventeen thugs (at least some armed) taken out in twenty one seconds by the way.
Along with Baleman's much greater feats of strength than anything Rumlow has, I have no trouble believing that he could replicate the "feat" of tasing an injured Cap twice and getting ragdolled immediately after.
But this is beside the point. This fight is hand to hand, and Rumlow has no feats of strength or striking force on par with Baleman.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Baleman's melee skills
bad choreography aside hes dominating those goons and although he lost to Bane in round 1 he came back and beat him all the same...just as many many movie protagonists have so whats your point??
Balean has plenty of feats that suggest he beats Rumlow easily:
- dodges bullets in a narrow corridor and get close enough to KO the gunmen
- strong enough to punch out a motorcycle visor
- strong enough to shatter brick with ease
- rookie Bruce beats up 6 guys with ease in prison
- KOs about 12 goons in BB in about 30 seconds
- bench press a very large supporting beam from a mansion which would weigh a few hundred pounds at least
- arm curl a 200lbs man one handed then basically pec dec'd same guy
- survive a three story fall onto a car while on fire and walks away
- not only survives but captures crane after plummeting feet first from several stories up onto the roof of a van with no injury
- heals from a broken back in a matter of months
- gets stabbed in one film, shot point blank in another in between his armour plating with no lasting effect
- survives a fall from a penthouse which is at least 15 stories up while protecting another person from harm all while his glider only opens halfway about a second before impact
whats Rumlows feats than can compare to Waaynes?? Ill give him one; he survived a building collapse but that doesnt mean he can beat Bats in a fist fight
Originally posted by Silent Master
There is no "bad choreography aside" fight choreography is what we base fighting skill on. if Baleman sucks that bad and is able to beat up thugs, that just means the thugs are even worse. not that Baleman is super-skilled.
address the feats; whats Rumlow got to show against Batmans superior speed, strength and durability... even if we take the choreography at face value it doesnt matter if Bats doesnt fight gracefully if he hits like a truck now does it?
Has Batman blocked a fast strike (a strike as fast or faster than anything Rumlow ever delivered)? Yes he has.
Has Rumlow got hit by a strike as slow or slower than Batman’s quickest shown strikes. The answer is yes.
Therefore taking the scenes where both operated at their best then Batman should win.
