Originally posted by Silent Master
If he wins it won't be because of his skills, as Baleman's melee skills suck.
Originally posted by h1a8
Baleman has some great showings choreography wise.
In Batman begins he uses good skill and speed when fighting the ninjas, Raz, and those initial thugs.People low ball by showing only the bad choreography scenes.
Honestly I'd need to see Winter Soldier again, but I think it could go either way:
Rumlow:
+ Was a character in a movie that arguably has the best fight choreography of any MCU film with more up-tempo action scenes throughout.
+ Has experience fighting with and against Cap (even if it was a dogpile in the elevator).
+ Was winning the fight against Falcon until the Helicarrier crashed and Sam escaped.
- Doesn't he only have a plate carrier? The vest with armor plates in it? So exposed head no armor around the rest of his body.
- Limited fight feats from TWS only.
Baleman:
+ A plethora of feats when compared to Rumlow (yes even though some of them are garbage from Nolan's one known weak spot: fight choreography).
+ Strength advantage by a country mile on TWS Rumlow, relentless mentioned the feats in one of his posts above.
+ Head-to-toe body armor.
+ Durability to press on despite being struck by a falling wooden beam, stabbed by a knife in the arm, falling off 2-3 stories when tackling Harvey Dent, being ran into a parking garage concrete pillar whilst hanging on to the side of a van going probably 15-20 mph, and then jumping on and caving in the roof of that same van that had gone a couple levels in the garage.
+ Slight height and reach advantage (real-life Christian Bale vs real-life Frank Grillo).
- Some horrid fight choreography.
- Slower than Rumlow.
Really depends if Baleman can utilize his armor to take the brunt of Brock's hits and get in the shots to take him down. Baleman has the strength, striking power, durability, and gear advantages, but Rumlow has the mobility and quickness advantages.
Originally posted by FrothByte
It's pretty easy to beat a bunch of thugs if they're simply standing there waiting for you to hit them and falling down without apparent reason.
It's the speed in which he does it. I don't care if they were all punching bags, it's still highly impressive (especially given how hard it is to ko a human being in real life).
He has several fights with ninjas and Raz too.
Originally posted by John Murdoch
Honestly I'd need to see Winter Soldier again, but I think it could go either way:Rumlow:
+ Was a character in a movie that arguably has the best fight choreography of any MCU film with more up-tempo action scenes throughout.
+ Has experience fighting with and against Cap (even if it was a dogpile in the elevator).
+ Was winning the fight against Falcon until the Helicarrier crashed and Sam escaped.
- Doesn't he only have a plate carrier? The vest with armor plates in it? So exposed head no armor around the rest of his body.
- Limited fight feats from TWS only.Baleman:
+ A plethora of feats when compared to Rumlow (yes even though some of them are garbage from Nolan's one known weak spot: fight choreography).
+ Strength advantage by a country mile on TWS Rumlow, relentless mentioned the feats in one of his posts above.
+ Head-to-toe body armor.
+ Durability to press on despite being struck by a falling wooden beam, stabbed by a knife in the arm, falling off 2-3 stories when tackling Harvey Dent, being ran into a parking garage concrete pillar whilst hanging on to the side of a van going probably 15-20 mph, and then jumping on and caving in the roof of that same van that had gone a couple levels in the garage.
+ Slight height and reach advantage (real-life Christian Bale vs real-life Frank Grillo).
- Some horrid fight choreography.
- Slower than Rumlow.Really depends if Baleman can utilize his armor to take the brunt of Brock's hits and get in the shots to take him down. Baleman has the strength, striking power, durability, and gear advantages, but Rumlow has the mobility and quickness advantages.
Yes it was some bad choreography scenes for Batman. But people forget there are some good ones too. Ones that display good speed, reflexes, and skill by Batman. Batman fights with the ninjas, Raz, and even the initial thugs were decent fights displaying such.
Originally posted by h1a8
Yes it was some bad choreography scenes for Batman. But people forget there are some good ones too. Ones that display good speed, reflexes, and skill by Batman. Batman fights with the ninjas, Raz, and even the initial thugs were decent fights displaying such.
Begins definitely was good in the training and especially the stealth and finale in the Gotham bottoms. Nolan was wise to use lots of quick cuts from the villains' viewpoints: it gave the audience perspective. Wow, this Batman really is a ninja that strikes quickly and goes back to the shadows. I felt Baleman was a force to be reckoned with in that film.
TDK and especially TDKR, though, went to much into Schumaker-ville when it showed the wider long take shots. The one shot in Trump tower at the end of TDK when Bats is throat-chopping one of the Joker's doctor-dressed goons is a good example, and plenty of the "I'm gonna hit you with my gun instead of shooting you to death" moments in TDKR.
And also Batman shouldn't have an issue with dogs whatsoever. The solo Batman film should have a scene where he tazes like 15 dogs at a time just to prove this point.
Originally posted by John Murdoch
Honestly I'd need to see Winter Soldier again, but I think it could go either way:Rumlow:
+ Was a character in a movie that arguably has the best fight choreography of any MCU film with more up-tempo action scenes throughout.
+ Has experience fighting with and against Cap (even if it was a dogpile in the elevator).
+ Was winning the fight against Falcon until the Helicarrier crashed and Sam escaped.
- Doesn't he only have a plate carrier? The vest with armor plates in it? So exposed head no armor around the rest of his body.
- Limited fight feats from TWS only.Baleman:
+ A plethora of feats when compared to Rumlow (yes even though some of them are garbage from Nolan's one known weak spot: fight choreography).
+ Strength advantage by a country mile on TWS Rumlow, relentless mentioned the feats in one of his posts above.
+ Head-to-toe body armor.
+ Durability to press on despite being struck by a falling wooden beam, stabbed by a knife in the arm, falling off 2-3 stories when tackling Harvey Dent, being ran into a parking garage concrete pillar whilst hanging on to the side of a van going probably 15-20 mph, and then jumping on and caving in the roof of that same van that had gone a couple levels in the garage.
+ Slight height and reach advantage (real-life Christian Bale vs real-life Frank Grillo).
- Some horrid fight choreography.
- Slower than Rumlow.Really depends if Baleman can utilize his armor to take the brunt of Brock's hits and get in the shots to take him down. Baleman has the strength, striking power, durability, and gear advantages, but Rumlow has the mobility and quickness advantages.
Are we assuming this is a fully armored Batman fighting a completely unarmored Rumlow?
Originally posted by h1a8
It's the speed in which he does it. I don't care if they were all punching bags, it's still highly impressive (especially given how hard it is to ko a human being in real life).He has several fights with ninjas and Raz too.
You only need one clean hit to knockout a person. If you watch youtube vids of boxers getting into street fights, they usually knockout their opponents in a split second. If all your opponent stand around and allow you to hit them then it doesn't really take much time to knock them out - especially if they voluntarily fall down for you.
So no, Batman wasn't exactly fast. In fact without the smoke and mirrors, he's one of the slowest h2h combatants we've seen in a cbm.
Originally posted by FrothByte
You only need one clean hit to knockout a person. If you watch youtube vids of boxers getting into street fights, they usually knockout their opponents in a split second. If all your opponent stand around and allow you to hit them then it doesn't really take much time to knock them out - especially if they voluntarily fall down for you.So no, Batman wasn't exactly fast. In fact without the smoke and mirrors, he's one of the slowest h2h combatants we've seen in a cbm.
Statistically it is hard as hell to ko a real human. I’ve seen hundreds of boxing matches, hundreds of mma fights, a dozen real fights, etc and humans typically don’t get koed in one or two strikes. When I say ko I mean knocked unconscious.
Originally posted by h1a8
Statistically it is hard as hell to ko a real human. I’ve seen hundreds of boxing matches, hundreds of mma fights, a dozen real fights, etc and humans typically don’t get koed in one or two strikes. When I say ko I mean knocked unconscious.
Yes, I know what KO means. And no, it's not that hard to KO someone as long as:
1. You know how to throw a punch/kick
2. You're at least of average strength/size
3. Your opponent just stands there and allows you a clean hit
Originally posted by FrothByte
Yes, I know what KO means. And no, it's not that hard to KO someone as long as:1. You know how to throw a punch/kick
2. You're at least of average strength/size
3. Your opponent just stands there and allows you a clean hit
Notice how h1 bases his argument solely on the fact that he's seen a lot of fights? odd argument for someone that claims to have had such extensive training in martial arts.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Notice how h1 bases his argument solely on the fact that he's seen a lot of fights? odd argument for someone that claims to have had such extensive training in martial arts.
It's also weird how he needs to clarify what KO means. I mean, what else did he think it meant?
Originally posted by FrothByte
Yes, I know what KO means. And no, it's not that hard to KO someone as long as:1. You know how to throw a punch/kick
2. You're at least of average strength/size
3. Your opponent just stands there and allows you a clean hit
If it isn't hard then explain why less than 10% of flush hits don't result in a ko?
And I'm speaking about professional fights.
Originally posted by h1a8
If it isn't hard then explain why less than 10% of flush hits don't result in a ko?
And I'm speaking about professional fights.
Because the person getting hit is actively trying to avoid getting hit. That's completely different from someone just standing still and allowing you to hit them.
You seriously can't be this stupid can you?
Originally posted by John MurdochHow would he do that when Baleman can leave Rumlow punch-drunk with one punch and eat punches from Rumlow?
I'm certainly assuming that, sir. Otherwise, Rumlow does hand Baleman another loss.
The difference in physicality between the two is such that Baleman could literally push Rumlow to the ground, force his pants off, and rape him. Rumlow would be nearly powerless to stop it short of managing to grab hold of Baleman's balls and tear them off.
Oh, and Baleman is faster than Rumlow, unless you have something he did in TWS that says otherwise?