Originally posted by Pillow Biter
If you reversed Surfer with the Hulk in the order, then I'd say that on the whole Superman clears until MAYBE Hulk.Superman vs. Hulk is nearly impossible to call as both, particularly the Hulk, have very dynamic power levels. I would probably give the Hulk an edge if Superman is significantly exhausted and/or damaged before coming to a fight with him.
Strange, as most mages are, also has very variable power levels. Combine this with him often being a glass cannon, and you get a fight that would be tough to predict even without the very unpredictable magic weakness. Still, I'd typically give Strange an edge over Superman in a fair fight, given the magic weakness. Throw in Superman being at all damaged or exhausted and the edge gets bigger.
At any rate, I'd probably say that on the whole and according to your gauntlet order, Superman likely stops at the Hulk or Surfer. The fights prior to the Hulk wouldn't take much out of him, and as wildly unpredictable as a Hulk vs. Superman fight is, I'm still inclined to give him the edge. But at that point he's likely too worn down to beat Surfer, even though I would typically give Supes the edge over Surfer.
Remember the diner scene with Superman and Flash?
Also Superman can bfr Hulk at anytime.
I rate my fights like the comics, and often make this explicit. Others may do differently.
Writers tend to protect non-flying bricks from BFR--witness Superman and Doomsday.
Having super speed rarely gives a flying brick much edge over a roughly comparable brick without such speed. Usually it's just ignored and sometimes writers even mess with us, like when Superman hit Doomsday 4,200+ times in a row, unanswered, and it didn't do squat.
Writers don't do this randomly. There are patterns and conventions in comics. We can try to rate fights as writers do without having to throw up our hands and saying that means we can rate fights however we want.
Originally posted by carver9
Are you saying Thane has human reaction speed?
I don't know Thane, but unless he's far, far beyond human than it doesn't really matter in regards to using super speed. Much like arguing with you or a bowl of mashed potatoes, it doesn't matter the potatoes are smarter than you, they're not that much smarter to make a difference.
Originally posted by beatboks
Hellcat and nighthawk are useless.Valkyrie however can do some damage. I think everyone is forgetting she has not one but 2 mystical weapons. Her sword, Dragonfang, and her enchanted spear, Geirr. So both should be able to cut or harm Superman due to weakness exploitation. He will still win but not without some damage.
This means he enters a fight with Namor with limited recovery from actual piercing injuries that Namor could exploit. Lets not forget Namor goes toe to toe with Hulk and Thor on many an occasion. Hes also a hard fighter who rarely gives compassion. He looses to Hulk and Thor but not without a drawn out hard fight. Again Supes will win but the damage he will suffer should compound from what was done to him vs Valkyrie.
With this level of damage AND the likited rest he wouldnt beat any of the next three no matter the order IMHO.
god strike me down for bumping a supes thread so far down the page.
Since people lately have been so fond of bringing up the "common knowledge" argument, I'm using it for Superman. He knows her weapons are mystical and uses speed and ranged attacks to take her out quickly. I mean it's not like he hasn't one-shot superior opponents with freeze breath(Bizarro, technically Brainiac although it looked to restrain him until Superman attacked) or heat vision (Despero, Wonder Woman as a side effect). Even sent Bizarro away with hurricane breath. Can't see Namor doing much better.
Originally posted by carver9
Namor has a solid track record. He will do good but he isnt beating Superman. If Superman plays his cards right and bfr Hulk during the onset, he could POSSIBLY make it to Surfer.
Had enough tissues there?
Originally posted by Pillow Biter
I rate my fights like the comics, and often make this explicit. Others may do differently.Writers tend to protect non-flying bricks from BFR--witness Superman and Doomsday.
Having super speed rarely gives a flying brick much edge over a roughly comparable brick without such speed. Usually it's just ignored and sometimes writers even mess with us, like when Superman hit Doomsday 4,200+ times in a row, unanswered, and it didn't do squat.
Writers don't do this randomly. There are patterns and conventions in comics. We can try to rate fights as writers do without having to throw up our hands and saying that means we can rate fights however we want.
I can also think of at least two examples where Superman has done BETTER when speed blitzing an opponent with a barrage of punches, one of which he was weakened (why he decided to attack at super speed) and still did better than when he punched at normal speed when fully powered(during Byrne era). Plus Power Girl also was more effective with a blitz (can't remember who) and he used it very effectively against Lobo, so 4 examples, 3 directly from Superman.
Also he used it, when weakened, effectively in a defensive manner against Mongul II. Maybe Doomsday is just that tough?
Originally posted by Delta1938
[B]Since people lately have been so fond of bringing up the "common knowledge" argument, I'm using it for Superman. He knows her weapons are mystical and uses speed and ranged attacks to take her out quickly. I mean it's not like he hasn't one-shot superior opponents with freeze breath(Bizarro, technically Brainiac although it looked to restrain him until Superman attacked) or heat vision (Despero, Wonder Woman as a side effect). Even sent Bizarro away with hurricane breath. Can't see Namor doing much better./B]
2. And in character Superman is not going to beach slap a woman in a Blitz attack just look at history rampage super strong woman who's stronger than Valkyrie and yet he treated her gently until it proved he needed to do otherwise.
3. For the record the speed is why I'm saying he would win obviously of course as soon as he gets so much as a scratch from either weapon is going to realise they can do him home and do whatever it takes to take them out of the equation there's just the likelihood it can happen before this occurs
Originally posted by Delta1938
I don't know Thane, but unless he's far, far beyond human than it doesn't really matter in regards to using super speed. Much like arguing with you or a bowl of mashed potatoes, it doesn't matter the potatoes are smarter than you, they're not that much smarter to make a difference.
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