Silver Jobber vs Martian Manjobber

Originally posted by Supermutant
not shifting anything, Surfer has every single power that MM has. tp, tk, shape shifting, etc. plus more like creating a black hole.

This, from you:

Surfer can do everything Jonn can do plus more.

Originally posted by Supermutant
I stated he can do everything like tp, not that he has every exact feat of MM. The same thing with shape-shifting lol that you think I meant Surfer will have the exact same shape-shifting feats as MM.

no character is going to have the exact same feats as another. that's ridiculous to think I meant that.

Originally posted by Supermutant
I disagree about the lower levels

Unless you are implying that Surfer has greater TP and shapeshifting than J'onn, you simply said something that was wrong.

dunno why MM has such a low rep on this site

if we compare feats, they are on the same level, with surfer has couple outliers higher, and the advantages of having more high end feats by simply having more feats in general. the only reason is because dc reboot and create different version of same character. surfer just has more appearances than each version of MM

if you group all of MM feats together since pre crisis, no way does surfer look more impressive. but that's not the rule so it's neither here or there

also dunno why people bring up SS creating blackhole, that was brought by energy discharge and even if he does use it in battle, jonn survived the pull of black hole before

still, SS 7/10 here

Originally posted by MrMind
dunno why MM has such a low rep on this site

On the whole Internet, not just this site, friendo 😛

Originally posted by NemeBro
If he doesn't have those feats to show similar or greater potency in J'onn's powers, why do you disagree with the assertion that Surfer has most of J'onn's abilities at a lower level?

I'm waiting on a super power that MM has that Surfer doesn't. And all Surfer need is to create a match. lol And Phil can have all the fun he can handle creating fictional goal posts and straw man arguments. All that is something that I'm neither emotional about nor interested in. Surfer does have feats, both of these characters are jobbers, and I've spent way more time in this thread than I thought I would.

lmao @ Stilt

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
On the whole Internet, not just this site, friendo 😛

It is an extremely targeted research. You could do the same for Superman or Hulk.

Originally posted by nortonek
It is an extremely targeted research. You could do the same for Superman or Hulk.

Not really - they don't have their own jobber names 😂

Silver Surfer vs Martian Manhunter would be a great battle zone.

I can see MM usin his TP to amp SS jobbing abilities.

The limits of Surfer's versatility are another manifestation of comic conventions, and can't really be delineated using 'in comics' explanations.

In theory, there is virtually no limit to the KINDS of things Surfer can do: his limits are quantitative, not qualitative. In practice, however, there are many things Surfer cannot do.

As to the quantitative limits, Surfer on the whole seems to have a level of raw power roughly equivalent to elite top tiers like Gladiator, Thor, and Blue Marvel. In theory, any manifestation of his powers would be roughly at that level, though a lack of skill or experience at some power manifestations such as TP or shape-shifting might still limit him.

MM also seems to be at that level of elite top tiers, by and large, when it comes to raw power. So I'd say that Surfer probably has, again in theory, about the same TP or shapeshifting or phasing capacities as MM, though again, skill would be an issue. But this is, IMO, moot, as Surfer almost certainly isn't going to be using MM's full bag of tricks in any fight.

Originally posted by Pillow Biter
So I'd say that Surfer probably has, again in theory, about the same TP or shapeshifting or phasing capacities as MM.

what feat does surfer has to suggest any of this, especially tp?

Originally posted by Pillow Biter
I'd say that Surfer probably has, again in theory, about the same TP or shapeshifting or phasing capacities as MM

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Martian Manjobber is a name you can actually google...

Jobbing or not, Surfer annihilates Manhunter.

There's absolutely nothing MM can do that SS can't counter and return in kind.

Surfer's far faster, more powerful, more versatile, more intelligent and he can alter MM's dna.

Silver Surfer can also be green better than MM. Nuder too

Janus lol, welcome back

Originally posted by janus77
Jobbing or not, Surfer annihilates Manhunter.

There's absolutely nothing MM can do that SS can't counter and return in kind.

Surfer's far faster, more powerful, more versatile, more intelligent and he can alter MM's dna.

Wwwwwooowwwww, long time no see. Good to have you back.

Originally posted by janus77
Jobbing or not, Surfer annihilates Manhunter.

There's absolutely nothing MM can do that SS can't counter and return in kind.

Surfer's far faster, more powerful, more versatile, more intelligent and he can alter MM's dna.

I wonder why people are saying MM is stronger than Surfer?

Originally posted by carver9
I wonder why people are saying MM is stronger than Surfer?

Originally posted by carver9
I wonder why people are saying MM is stronger than Surfer?