Red Hood Vs Bullseye

~SuperChromy, circa 2001

SuperChromy, you don't seem to understand what the topic is about, or you're purposely lying, hoping to deflect from your inaptitude [not that you've above lying - you've been doing it in tourneys 😂]. My contention with you was not that Bullseye has varying performances against Elektra/Daredevil [which I agree, and I explained why], not that Bullseye is the only villain to have knowledge of his opponent - not that Elektra/Daredevil don't also have knowledge of him, too - all of these are red herrings, that I never argued otherwise - it was that you used an invalid, and retarded argument, this one:

Originally posted by Supermutant
. I'm stating that Bullseye stalemating both DD and Elektra simultaneously in one comic, then getting knock down casually by Taskmaster in one shot show inconsistency.

Originally posted by Supermutant
Lester can go from stalemating both Elektra and Daredevil to being own in one shot by Taskmaster. I think you need to re-educate yourself on what consistent means.

I already explained to you that it does not prove inconsistency - as Bullseye is much knowledgeable in how to fight them, than he is in fighting Taskmaster. The fact that you used Bullseye not even being aware that he is in a 'fight' with Taskmaster and getting hit [i.e. https://i.imgur.com/zWW2RJRh.jpg] is even more hilarious as you further trash your initial point.

I then posted the Punisher scans to mock you, because you are stupid and easily riled up. You went on another meltdown, where you showed Bullseye taking down Punisher while at long range, in order to try to prove that Bullseye is inconsistent against Frank, because Punisher has taken down Bullseye in close range.

Now, I'm not above pulling out the vasline one more time and plowing that ass until the echo lasts for days, even though you are retarded. I don't discriminate.

But you do realize that Bullseye being shown as better at range, while Punisher being shown as better in close quarters is not inconsistent, no?

Do you understand that a Sniper consistently killing people at long range, then getting taken down hand to hand, does not prove that the Sniper is inconsistent?

Did you mother spit you out when she was on a cocaine bender?
How many times did you repeat the first grade?

I will debate you, in a battlezone, for both of these arguments, which are literally the only ones I contested:
1).

Originally posted by Supermutant
. I'm stating that Bullseye stalemating both DD and Elektra simultaneously in one comic, then getting knock down casually by Taskmaster in one shot show inconsistency.

Originally posted by Supermutant
Frank dominate BE on one occasion, BE perform much better as he used Frank to collect a huge pay day on another, and BE dominated Frank in yet a different encounter. The very definition of inconsistency.

These are quotes, from your own posts.

What say you, Chromy?

Yes you're right about this..

[quote Phil]you showed Bullseye taking down Punisher while at long range, in order to try to prove that Bullseye is inconsistent against Frank, because Punisher has taken down Bullseye in close range. [/quote]

but this is a retarded argument which we undertood 100 years ago and that Supermutant dealt with 100 years ago.

[quote Phil]Imagine a MMA fight, where the opponents study the other's style for months on end. They know their strategies, how they duck, how they hit, how they counter - everything.

Now imagine fighting against somebody entirely new, because the opponent you've studied pulled back out of the fight 3 days before the bout and Dana White had to find a replacement.

If you do well in the first fight, but lose the second fight, it doesn't mean you're inconsistent. It means you prepared well for the first one, and went in blank state for the second. [/quote]

Maybe you should go back in the thread and read what he said.

Holy shit, are you the one SuperChromy got the extra chromosome from?

That analogy is pertaining to Elektra/Daredevil vs Bullseye [preparing and studying the opponent's moves] vs Taskmaster vs Bullseye [somebody entirely new].

It has nothing to do with the Punisher.

If you can't follow what's being discussed, keep quiet and continue to brainlessly cheerlead, troll.

Or sock?

Also..

Originally posted by DeadChromosome
but this is a retarded argument which we undertood 100 years ago and that Supermutant dealt with 100 years ago.

Frank dominate BE on one occasion, BE perform much better as he used Frank to collect a huge pay day on another, and BE dominated Frank in yet a different encounter. The very definition of inconsistency.

You will be reported, for spamming/trolling if you continue.

Good grief Phil

Quote Phil ]That analogy is pertaining to Elektra/Daredevil vs Bullseye [preparing and studying the opponent's moves] vs Taskmaster vs Bullseye [somebody entirely new].

Again we know but here's the point he was making in more detail which went completely over your head. I'm going to try and break this down to you Phil. What you don't seem to get through your head is this......when Supermutant said that DD and Elektra have studied Bullseye as well he said it so that you could read and process the information, not just read it.

The problem is this, if you have studied an opponent and they have studied you that doesn't neccesarily give you the advantage it can cancels out your preparation. So even if you have studied your opponent it can be like going into a blank state. And even if you weren't going in with a blank state what happens after you lose? It's back to the drawing board the prep didn't work, your opponent knows your moves. Your opponent doesn't even need to neccesarily study you but fight you often to be able to predict what you're going to do next.

That is in response to this....

Phil]Imagine a MMA fight, where the opponents study the other's style for months on end. They know their strategies, how they duck, how they hit, how they counter - everything.

Now imagine fighting against somebody entirely new, because the opponent you've studied pulled back out of the fight 3 days before the bout and Dana White had to find a replacement.

If you do well in the first fight, but lose the second fight, it doesn't mean you're inconsistent. It means you prepared well for the first one, and went in blank state for the second. [/quote]

Ok do you get it?

Quote PHil ]Supermutant's position is that Bullseye is inconsistent against he Punisher, when on the contrary, it's consistently shown that Frank has the better of him in close quarters, while Bullseye does at range:

Do you have such an attitude problem that even when I agree with you can't see it? What's your problem? Which is the point I'm making the scan that Supermutant used of BE owning Punisher was at long range, your argument was that Frank does better on close range. If Supermutant provided scans of punisher beating Bullseye in 2h at close range he'd have a point but he didn't. On this argument you are in the right but on another you are wrong.

Originally posted by Deadline
Do you have such an attitude problem that even when I agree with you can't see it? What's your problem? Which is the point I'm making the scan that Supermutant used of BE owning Punisher was at long range, your argument was that Frank does better on close range. If Supermutant provided scans of punisher beating Bullseye in 2h at close range he'd have a point but he didn't. On this argument you are in the right

Originally posted by Deadline
The problem is this, if you have studied an opponent and they have studied you that doesn't neccesarily give you the advantage it can cancels out your preparation. So even if you have studied your opponent it can be like going into a blank state. And even if you weren't going in with a blank state what happens after you lose? It's back to the drawing board the prep didn't work, your opponent knows your moves. Your opponent doesn't even need to neccesarily study you but fight you often to be able to predict what you're going to do next.

Thus, the mma comparison.

Furthermore, you've seen Supermutant, like an idiot, further shitting on his own argument, by showing that Taskmaster vs Bullseye was just Bullseye bantering him, and getting hit:
https://i.imgur.com/zWW2RJRh.jpg

This is not showing inconsistency, since the situations aren't comparable.

No Phil we understand the point you're making we just don't agree with it. What we are saying is that the two situations are not neccessarily different and can be the same.

If a fighter has prepared for a fight but the other opponent has as well that can mess up your game plan because you think you have him because you know his moves but instead he counters them. So what then happens it becomes like being in a fight which you haven't prepared for. Which is why Supermutant posted this early on in the thread.

Originally posted by Supermutant
So Bullseye have studied DD/Elektra, but DD/Elektra knows what Lester like to do and his combat habits as well case in point:

https://imgur.com/JeQo0ok
https://imgur.com/eavF5E5
https://imgur.com/8jidXt9
https://imgur.com/pg2oPlw
https://imgur.com/zaiSfFq
https://imgur.com/unfk2Nk

So the very "consistent" mmaer Bullseye who has specifically studied DD down through the years, still can't manage to get one hit in h2h.

Now obvioulsy you can see him deflecting a bullet but it's fair to assume that DD was also able to predict Bullseyes h2h moves. So now Bullseye is in a situation where he's just fighting somebody without preparation

Don't really have a problem with the TM example. Also he pointed out that in the second fight BE was toying with Punisher and actually wanted to keep Punisher alive for his plans. Yeah BE can mess around with people but he does usually want to kill them, he defintely wanted to keep him allive. Now that doesn't mean he would have neccesarily won the fight or done better but it's a valid point.

Originally posted by Deadline
If a fighter has prepared for a fight but the other opponent has as well that can mess up your game plan because you think you have him because you know his moves but instead he counters them. So what then happens it becomes like being in a fight which you haven't prepared for.

Furthermore, this is all irrelevant since the example used [retardedly so] is Taskmaster suddenly hitting Bullseye as he was getting on his nerves.

https://i.imgur.com/zWW2RJRh.jpg
That's...not a fight.

We might as well say that Hal Jordan punching Batman shows that the latter is inconsistent:
https://imgur.com/a/suNw6ad

It's idiotic to continue this topic.
The point I disagree with are obvious. The battlezone invitation, for the specific points that are wrong, is above. So..you disagree. Ok. This has become circular. I don't care about "last words", as much as I care about not wasting my time.

lol this thread continues b/c philly lacks remedial comic book knowledge about this tier.

I will explain this to him as I would a first grader who is picking up a comic book for the first time. I will attempt to this do without insults but that's hard, b/c he is asinine and so embarrassingly wrong.

Bullseye vs Elektra 101 for dummies

They have fought four times. Bullseye killed her the first time by throwing a card, slicing her throat and finishing her off with her own sai. So as long as he used range projectile attacks and avoiding getting up close for long, he has the advantage.

Guess what that's the only time that Bullseye didn't play around with her and fought without obsessing over her.

His obsession actually works against him and is a detriment to him when fighting her. Because he doesn't just want to kill her again he wants to torture her slowly and painfully. He basically is playing with his food when he fights her ever since their first battle. In their 2nd fight the narration even states he is "playing with her." Also he wants to kill her the same way as before up close and personal, which is in part why he ends up losing. He hurts her just enough for it be non-fatal, and then she just reacts eventually koing him.

https://imgur.com/a/3HUjv

This is even clearer in their 3rd fight wear BE would rather throw a bullet at her, than shoot her with a gun. He doesn't want a quick fight he even states, "god I love watching you bleed." Then more typical villain monologue which allows Elektra the chance to recover enough and take him out with his own trick arrow. Similar position to how he killed how. By the way Elektra had just escaped being tortured at Hammer and being shot, and was also drugged from BE's arrow during the fight.

https://imgur.com/a/LciQz

Fourth fight isn't really that relevant as BE has become significantly stronger and faster by the Hand. Still Elektra takes a beating from him, but ultimately gets the victory. But not without a price as even a depowered BE kills a mark with a card similar to his first battle with Elektra.

https://imgur.com/a/P2Cdm

So it could be clearer to everybody except philly, that BE doesn't fight others the same way he fights Elektra. But that is too his detriment as he doesn't stay at range and prefers to torture her up close and personal.

But silly philly doesn't care about that. It's only about wins and loses with him. I'm not calling philly a fool, but only a fool ignores context and just looks at the pretty pictures.

Arch rivals/ arch enemies, main rogue gallery study/train for each other 101 for dummies.

Batman has a Bane combat training computer program in the Batcave.

Not calling silly philly and idiot, but only an idiot would go into a Batman vs Crossbones thread and proclaim, but but Bruce specifically trains to beat Bane. Therefore, his feats against Bane should be discounted, or are not impressive, or whatever implications silly philly has made in this thread.

Taskmaster has specifically trained for Captain America to the point that the US government hired him to trained a new Cap previous US Agent Walker.

Not calling silly philly a dummy, but only a dummy would go into a Taskmaster vs Nightwing thread and declare, but but but Tasky specifically train to beat and copy Cap. Thanks Cap Obvious. You know it would be extremely hard to think of arch rivals who haven't specifically trained/studied for their opponent, or know how they think/respond because they have had so many encounter. This is a large part of what comics are all about. You beat me, I learn from it and come back to beat you. Well everyone knows this but silly philly.

silly philly loves humiliation

I already explained to you that it does not prove inconsistency - as Bullseye is much knowledgeable in how to fight them, than he is in fighting Taskmaster. The fact that you used Bullseye not even being aware that he is in a 'fight' with Taskmaster and getting hit [i.e. https://i.imgur.com/zWW2RJRh.jpg] is even more hilarious as you further trash your initial point.

I think silly philly at this point just lacks basic reading comprehension.

Often times villains suffer from "villain decay" especially compared to their rival heroes over time 101 for dummies.

Kingpin often referred to as classic Kingpin could dominate both daredevil and spiderman at the same time in his earlier days. In modern times one on one both have dominated him. Although very recently Kingpin has feats comparable to his classic levels. Taskmaster owning BE so effortlessly shows how he has fallen from his "glory days." His Frank Miller days where he was respected as a deadly killer and not someone you would want to mess with or even say his name. The Frank Miller Bullseye beat DD twice, killed Elektra, easily kidnapped Black Widow. That version of Bullseye would not be treated like fodder and disrespected in such a humble way by Tony Masters of all people.

You would know this stuff silly philly if you actually read the issues and no the proper context and story behind it. Instead of looking at some pretty pictures in a respect thread and quoting someone with far more knowledge than you on the subject.

Don't worry your class I mean remedial comic book principles and concepts for dummies will continue after the break.

Before I get back to educating you about streets, I find this amusing.

silly philly to deadline

You will be reported, for spamming/trolling if you continue.

lol You want to report him not because he is spamming or trolling, but because simply he disagrees with your weak and lame argument.

lmao by the way Deadline has disagreed with me in this very thread a couple of times. I didn't threaten to go run to a mod like a frighten child. But everyone can see your lack of understanding and embarrassing attempts to back track out of this humiliation.

Go get the mods let them see how your buffoonery has derailed this thread. Red Hood hasn't been mentioned for a couple of pages now. lol This is great, but according to silly philly, I'm the one having a meltdown. The only things I am having are a lot of laughs.

the gift that keeps on giving silly philly

But you do realize that Bullseye being shown as better at range, while Punisher being shown as better in close quarters is not inconsistent, no?

of course BE is better at range and Pun is better at h2h. There you go with the water is wet, sun is bright, grass is green obvious statements again.

If you would actually look and read what is going on in their battles, you will be amazed at what you find.

In the first set of scans that you posted which comes from Punisher Vol. 3 #1, Lester got the first shot it, hitting Pun with the gun butt. Pun kicks him below the belt, and Lester gets a couple of more hits in. Then Pun gets a right hook in, and the fight is over. It only took Pun two hits to end it, really just a one-shot once he got over Lester's initial advantage.

So in that issue Pun really takes BE out in one shot. In Punisher vs Bullseye by Daniel Way already shown in great detail, BE and Pun exchange a multitude of blows, breaking each other noses, and knocking each other down. Until Pun counters a foot stomp attempt by BE and takes control. If you can't see the differences between those two fights silly philly, there's no hope for you.

Bullseye performs way better in h2h in one than the other.

You take a smokebreak there bud?

Originally posted by One Big Mob
You take a smokebreak there bud?

10 image limit so let's continue.

silly philly continues to believe that the punisher vs bullseye fights are supporting his claims. lol He posted two fights like that's all they had. When they have had at least 4.

I then posted the Punisher scans to mock you, because you are stupid and easily riled up. You went on another meltdown, where you showed Bullseye taking down Punisher while at long range, in order to try to prove that Bullseye is inconsistent against Frank, because Punisher has taken down Bullseye in close range.

Just no trying to avoid being insulting but this is just plain dumb. The two fights that went H2h shows BE inconsistency in h2h. Sometimes being a very dangerous opponent other times getting basically one-shotted. This shouldn't be hard to understand. Plus their are other fights that demonstrate this, his fights against Deadpool comes to mind. Moreover one of the main reasons for his inconsistency is that writers have ignored or forgotten about his metal laced bones and healing factor.

You really are a moron if you believe I indicated in any way that BE winning in range and losing in close quarters combat was the basis of his inconsistency. lmao That's his whole career, his entire ability is about being the best sniper in the world or pretty close.

Anyway I already show him dominating Frank at range in Bullseye: Deadly Origin by Daniel Way. Below is BE in an armored suit with a huge machine gun and explosive launcher vs Pun which just twin pistols.

So to be perfectly clear for your limited reading comprehension. This fight along with the other range fight in the jungle shows BE's inconsistency even with ranged attacks. Its so bad that its actually an extremely funny comparison. BE can knock a grenade out of Pun's hand, and throw a knife center mass in his chest, but when he has a huge freaking automatic weapon at close range---he misses Frank over and over. Frank is even faster on the draw here. And that's the part of this battle that relevant here, Frank was able to out-draw, dodge, and even physically attack BE with a huge automatic gun and explosive launcher in an armor suit.

After humiliating here in this thread ( I hope this thread can become sticked), I will gladly further embarrass you whenever you want. I doubt you will accept your own challenge as my position which has been clear and the false position you assign to me are not at all the similar. lol

This has been extremely fun and I haven't really delve too deep into Daredevil vs Bullseye yet.

Maybe the most hilarious thing in this thread is silly philly bringing up my winning /my performances in BZs. I haven't even faced him in a BZ yet he is already but hurt about my previous one. 😆 😂 😄

Originally posted by One Big Mob
You take a smokebreak there bud?

lol didn't know I had a time limit or a captive audience

plus stupid images problem--last part of them

^ Yea I heard about that arc. I kinda thought it was funny that BE was engaging Frank in long range and h2h and thought he needed to use an armoured suit. As I was saying Punisher is more inconsistent than BE is.

So you accept the battlezone about your two statements?

Originally posted by Deadline
^ Yea I heard about that arc. I kinda thought it was funny that BE was engaging Frank in long range and h2h and thought he needed to use an armoured suit. As I was saying Punisher is more inconsistent than BE is.

so crazy BE performed way better with a toothpick and knife than in an armored exoskeleton with basically a cannon for a gun.

Taskmaster has him beat there though, he's near the top for most inconsistent. He has two-shotted the Cat, one-shotted Karnak, humiliated Agent Venom, stalemated briefly Cap and Cap Bucky, owning both Pun and Deadpool. On the other hand he has been two-shotted by Elektra, one-shotted by Black Panther, humiliated by Mr. X, lost bad to Deadpool b/c he couldn't copy his unpredictable moves.

philofshitia lastest cowpie:

So you accept the battlezone about your two statements?

You are not fooling anybody and your attempts to save face are obvious and laughable.

I gladly accept any battlezone about all my statements.

Your problem is that you created an argument with a strawman. But the strawman is you. So any other words you have been arguing with an idiot (yourself) this whole time. And then placing that (your) idiotic position onto someone else, namely me mostly and sometimes deadline.

As evidence by Phil's quote about my position which is clearly not my position.

Supermutant's position is that Bullseye is inconsistent against he Punisher, when on the contrary, it's consistently shown that Frank has the better of him in close quarters, while Bullseye does at range:

No moron my position which have been proven repeatedly is that BE has been inconsistent against Pun in h2h. Offering him a challenge for while or being basically one-shotted on a different encounter. He also has been inconsistent against him in range as he performed much better with a toothpick, than an machine gun.

I will even quote it for you, wow you are such a fool.

Originally posted by Supermutant
Plus I was referring more to their feats although Bullseye is anything but consistent as pure MA lol... Many of these type factors determines who I would pick between these two. Have Bullseye metal lace skeleton been referred to recently and/or the healing factor it was suppose to provide?

This is the point that I am specifically challenging you on. But we can BZ on all our statements in this thread, until you can't handle anymore embarrassment. lol You really came apart in this thread.

I don't care about your mental breakdown. Please stop shouting and generally talking to yourself.

So, you accept. Perfect.

As I said, the statements I disagree with are these. I specifically, unequivocally quote your own posts, so that you can't cry that I'm putting words in your mouth.

Originally posted by Supermutant
I'm stating that Bullseye stalemating both DD and Elektra simultaneously in one comic, then getting knock down casually by Taskmaster in one shot show inconsistency.

Originally posted by Supermutant
Frank dominate BE on one occasion, BE perform much better as he used Frank to collect a huge pay day on another, and BE dominated Frank in yet a different encounter. The very definition of inconsistency.

Is Monday-Wednesday ok with you?
Two posts should be enough for such a small topic?
Judges? Galan, Pr, Leo? The first two are disinterested in street, and Leo is top notch.

no hope for this guy

I don't care about your mental breakdown.

lol this is rich So between us in this thread, who has threaten to get a mod b/c another user disagreed with him and called him out on his crap?

yeah I have called you dumb and insulted your intelligence b/c even now you still lack reading comprehension. I even bolded my type to draw your attention so you could read and understand exactly what my position has always been. And all or my position not a part of it.

In this thread who between us has mentioned drugs, other family members, past bzs, etc, things that have nothing to do with this thread? lol

You really are becoming unhinged, this is great. And all of this started because you came in here stating the most obvious of comic book principles. And compounded that by quoting me for some strange reason. lmao Then when I called you out on it you double down and continue to humiliate yourself.

Its ok man, you will get over this and survive. Its alright that others know more than you about these characters and this tier. Just don't make this mistake again in the future or actually read about BE, Elektra, DD, Pun, instead of just copying and pasting from a respect thread.

And once again, I gladly accept any battlezone about all my statements.